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  Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate

  by OrphanCrow in

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  2. scandals

  this interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.

  lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.

  so who is lorenz reibling?

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  EdenOne

  OphanCrow, this is fascinating stuff. I can't express how grateful I am for your research. Keep going!

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  Watchtower Charter-A Danger to GB?

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

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  2. beliefs

  the following link is a pdf of the charter for the watchtower bible and tract society of new york as of 2003:.

  https://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/watchtower-bible-and-tract-society-of-new-york-charter-and-certificate-of-incorporation.pdf.

  my question: is the governing body in danger of removal if they do not adhere to the charter?.

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  EdenOne

  At that time, Brother Covington stepped aside as a director to comply with what then seemed to be Jehovah’s will—that all directors and officers of the Pennsylvania corporation be anointed Christians.

  Mark these words - "what then seemed to be Jehovah's will".

  In the JW world, whenever present time is, Jehovah's will is unquestionably whatever is being said by the Governing Body. Dare you question it, you're questioning Jehovah himself. It doesn't matter if you're right and they're wrong; it's about authority. They have been (supposedly) appointed by God and Christ, and you haven't. They hold the real authority, and you're nothing but a tiny, replaceable cog in the machinery, no matter how high up on the organizational ladder you may be.

  However, in retrospect, some of their decisions and options were clearly wrong. How do you deal with those inconvenient truths? You resort to word play. 'It seemed then to be Jehovah's will'. But, back then, whenever that might have been in the past, they were absolutely certain about it! What sort of oracle do they have on what is currently "Jehovah's will", that they can only say 'it seems to be this way'? What sort of leaders are Jehovah and Christ that they allow their supposed earthly organization to guess what is their will at any given moment?

  Either Jehovah and Christ are incompetent leaders, because they're unable to communicate clearly and without ambiguity what their will is; or this Organization isn't being directed by God and Christ through Holy Spirit because simply is the work of men; or the whole God / Religion / Organization is a scam. Pick your answer.

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  My New Avatar

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  time for a change.

  my new avatar is the railway bridge in my hometown lit up at night.

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  EdenOne

  Mesmerizing image. The small thumbnail makes it look like something coming out of a sci-fi book. Nice!

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  Are You "Technically" Still A Jehovah's Witness?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  even if you don't regard yourself as a practicing jw, some may view you simply as inactive, a lost sheep, etc.. if you were baptized but not disfellowshipped or disassociated, you may still be a jw---right?

  your thoughts please..

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  EdenOne

  I've stopped attending meetings and reporting time following my JC last September. When my public reproof was announced on the mid-week meeting, me and son stood up in the middle of the KH and walked out. I only returned for the memorial (for my wife's sake) and to my wife's mother funeral. I'm thus inactive and fading. Most people still talk to me, but only if circumstances force contact, and otherwise I'm ostensively shunned from any social activity with other Witnesses. No one has reached out to me, elders included - although I told one of them informally, that I wouldn't welcome any shepherding visit, and I suppose he passed the message along to the BOE. To my dismay, my wife went back in, and is having a 'recovery study' with a Bethel heavy's wife. I can tell she's been instructed not to discuss anything "spiritual" with me. In my professional circle of contacts, if the topic comes up, I identify myself as having been in the past a JW, but no longer actively associating with them. I've been facing a mild and prolonged depression because of this whole process, but it'll get better.

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  "do not go beyond the things written"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thanks to bu2b and splash who mentioned this quote in another thread!.

  but i thought it deserved a thread all of its own, such is the impact of this:.

  the very best example of going beyond the things written comes from a 2008 watchtower.

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  EdenOne

  Well spotted. Obviously, in their own eyes, the GB's writings are of equal value to the Bible.

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  Writing Department Interview on "The Generation."

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a member of the writing department was gracious enough to allow me to interview him about the "overlapping generation" doctrine.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eo1o5qmagu.

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  EdenOne

  Brilliant ! Thanks cappy :)

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  Did judge Rutherford piss off Hitler

  by greenhornet in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the jws at the time in germany where considered part of the aryan race, (since they were not jews).

  then things changed for the jws after rutherford mailed a letter to hitler bragging about jehovahs kingdom on earth.. so can we add this to the bloodshed that that the watchtower corp is responsible for?.

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  EdenOne

  Fascinating stuff, thank you.

  I would only add two tidbits: I have the book "The Nurenberg Interviews" and the two references found there by SS officers about Jehovah's Witneses are very favorable. The only complaint really made there was the fact that they were "pacifists" - meaning, they refused to serve the armed forces.

  Also, one thing that I have always wondered. In several publications, it is mentioned an episode where Hitler receives a letter from Rutherford where he threats that Jehovah will destroy the Reich, and Hitler explodes in rage and swears something like "This race shall be exterminated from Germany". I always wondered: Who witnessed this? Where is this account taken from? Or it it all just made-up stuff?

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  Average Age of this Forum?

  by Garrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  heyo!.

  i'm quite interested in knowing the average age of those of us who use this forum.

  i made a quick strawpoll that you can find at the following link: http://strawpoll.me/4340636 just pick an age and click "vote" if you wish to participate.. admins: if this breaks any rules, i apologize in advance..

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  EdenOne

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  How do JW's know that the bible is inspired?

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  asked a friend of mine this question the other day.

  here was his answer: "well, because paul said, 'all scripture is inspired of god...'".

  but seriously, that argument is like saying, "the bible is inspired because it says so!

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  EdenOne

  So funny, Morpheus!

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  Are you religious or are you spiritual? Wake up to what?

  by Deltawave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there is a huge difference between been religious and been spiritual.

  been religious is about been superior to others in the sight of god.

  however, been spiritual is about self awareness, inner peace and unity with the natural world.

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  EdenOne

  I have a problem with the reality that you're an abuser. Too bad if you're oblivious of that reality.

  Eden