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  Mass disassociation pact...

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
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  any takers?

  we can pick a date and pull the plug?

  lol .

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  I mean, if someone is comfortable about using the real name, that person might do it, of course - and possibly face the consequences too. But this is meant to be a symbolic protest from the silent multitude.

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  Mass disassociation pact...

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any takers?

  we can pick a date and pull the plug?

  lol .

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  I would send those letters to the local country's Bethel branch, not the world HQ, written in your local language, translated from an english common standard letter. It should be PERSONALIZED (meaning, unique) at the end, with initials that may or may not correspond to your real name, or an alias. They should be "signed" with an X or some other symbol. The letter should adopt a worldwide campaign name so that it is known that it's part of a worldwide protest. Media should be alerted to the protest.

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  First post I’ve seen where a Circuit Overseer is trying to denigrate the Royal Commission. Are these new instructions from WT?

  by John Aquila in

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  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/3mxy3t/circuit_overseers_giving_anti_royal_commission/.

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  My CO brother-in-law told Mrs Eden that Geoffrey Jackson made the most dignified defense of Jehovah's Organization before human authorities. Almost spoke as if it was the biggest epic since the days of the apostle Paul. I'm sure he didn't hear a bit of it, though.

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  The Monsters the WTBTS Created

  by Coded Logic in

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  growing up, the jws at the kingdom hall taught me that perfection is the only standard via which things can ever be measured.

  "well yeah modern medicine is great - but it's pointless because they can't save everyone.

  and they can't stop people from dying.

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  We love ya, Punky ole bastid :) Never give up.

  If you were in the vicinity I'd invite you to come over and jam with me @ my home studio.

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  How accurate is the Bible?

  by WireRider in

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  2. bible

  how accurate is the bible?

  the "compiled" version (council of nicaea) was not established for hundreds, or even thousands, of years after events happened.

  stories were handed down generation to generation to generation before being written down.

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  The Bible is man-made collection of books that contain human wisdom, and therefore, it's no surprise that one can find there some good advice on several areas. But then again, that is true also of countless 'wordly' books. The wisdom found in the Bible isn't what proves it's from God. But the innacuracies and the errors found in the Bible are what proves that it's NOT from God.

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  The Monsters the WTBTS Created

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  growing up, the jws at the kingdom hall taught me that perfection is the only standard via which things can ever be measured.

  "well yeah modern medicine is great - but it's pointless because they can't save everyone.

  and they can't stop people from dying.

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  Isn't it a paradox that they criticize 'wordly' institutions for not being able to achieve perfect results, as the OP described, but at the same time are quick to excuse the shortcomings of 'God's own earthly Organization' by saying its made of "imperfect men" ...

  It's mind-blowing that they can't see the stupidity of that double standard.

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  Britain Branch Construction - UPDATE

  by The Searcher in

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  definitely something going in the london bethel.. i thought i'd ask them again (and record it again) what the situation was regarding the new britain branch construction work.. i got the same sister (debbie) and here is how the conversation went: .

  me: i've been told that construction of the new branch has been stopped - is this true?.

  debbie: no, it has not ceased, it's carrying on as normal - can i ask where you're calling from?.

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  If significant layoffs are planned for the UK Bethel, then it's possible that they have to re-scale the Chelmsford project, redesign it, and that may mean that they need to stop to make a new assessment of the situation.

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  A funny little diplomatic cable regarding the Malawi atrocities against JW's in 1975

  by Saintbertholdt in

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  no doubt that atrocities were perpetrated against jehovah's witnesses in 1972-73.. but what about the reports in 1975?.

  here is an excerpt from a diplomatic cable sent to the us secretary of state in 1977.. the cable was released/declassified in 2009.. .... re jehovah's witnesses, why do we go back to the.

  events of 197273?

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  A simple explanation for the financial changes

  by JeffT in

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  as i've mentioned from time to time, i'm a retired accountant.

  i have tried many times to come up with some logical, sound business reason why the wtbs has made the big changes in its financial arrangements: taking the congregations savings, the monthly donations per congregation etc.

  i finally came up with the answer.. the leadership of the watchtower society is batshit crazy.

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  The way I see it, this was a monumental money grab scheme, and this is just the final coverup act. They have taken all the available money with the excuse of financing the building of new KH in third world countries. They have sold Bethel homes, consolidated operations and are laying off thousands of bethelites (racking and saving many millions by doing so). They are agressively abandoning printing materials and favoring digital publishing. (More millions saved) ; they are unashamedly asking for more money from the flock.

  And now what? The rank and file would start expecting to see what use would be given to that money. But instead ... Lett's words: "If Armageddon interrupts our plans that will be wonderful ! ". I think this highly emotional card is being played right now. Reshuffle the meetings - the focus is not in training public speakers but training publishers; (The celestial cart is going on overdrive, the Witnesses will conclude); ex-bethelites being reassigned as regular pioneers with the excuse of focusing more on the preaching work. Preach, preach, preach! Stop everything else! They're overtly conveying the message that the GB had some special intel from God that the Big A is nigh, so we must concentrate in the 'final push'. Let's all pioneer! Sounds like 1975 all over again.

  Now we understand what the true purpose of those words in the Watchtower about being strictly loyal and obedient to the GB even if the instructions wouldn't seem sound or logic from a human point of view. This is it. They're not all that crazy, they're pretty rational and methodical and they're following a plan - even if they buy into their own delusions.

  And while the over-excited Witnesses are being kept busy and in mental antecipation of the Big A, the issue of "where did the money go to" will fade off, and the money is already on Org's accounts, waiting to be used for paying off lawsuits or covering up bad investments or frauds. In any case, ensuring their finantial independence for the next decade or two, as they try to figure out a way to survive the draining of talent and donations.

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  The bridge burning has begun.

  by sparrowdown in

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  i was feeling particularly hopeless about the whole jws being assholes thing and sick to death of pretending so ....

  i rang my sister and told her that i no longer believe jws have the truth and the phone went silent, when i asked her to say something she just said if that was the case then she would have to hang up on me and then proceeded to indeed hang up..

  so i texted her back immediately with fu..

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  Congratulations and brace yourself, sparrowdown ! The ride is about to start. Mrs. Eden is going through a somewhat similar moment with her fleshy sister and some other close sister friends in the congregation and she's making some smart moves but the pressure is asphixyating and she's really going angry against all those who are simultaneously attempting to control her life while also digging for some dirt or 'faux pas' that may incriminate her and thus take it to the Elders.

  That message from the Elder means they're already on your case. I would suggest that you ignore them and never accept a visit nor a phonecall from them. Any phonecall will be witnessed by a second elder and they will attempt to test your loyalty to the GB. Don't fall on that trap, if you intend to fade.

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