johnamos
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Is the Holy Spirit directing this testimony?
by Mad Sweeney inif anybody can advise how to get the vid to show here, i'll edit this post.
thanks.apologies for the inconsistent sound levels.. https://youtu.be/nok514dqlti.
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johnamos
you should leave off verse 18 and also start off with a few clips of when they say that the spirit appointed them... -
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ANNOUNCEMENT: Tomorrow, Reveal from the Center of Investigative Reporting is publishing a new text story on JW shunning and child abuse
by AndersonsInfo inreveal from the center of investigative reporting is publishing a new text story on shunning and child abuse starting thursday in the early morning, july 30, 2015. revealnews.org this is the same organization that ran outstanding stories about kathleen conti last february on the reveal website and on pbs nightly news.. the reveal radio story will air on saturday, august 1, 2015, and will be available at over 300 stations in the us.
see revealnews.org .
barbara .
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johnamos
How about this…
Let’s pick and settle on a TV station/network in the US, like CNN, Fox news, etc…
Next someone with input from others write out a short letter asking this TV station/network to cover this news story from Australian being that the headquarters of the WTS is here in the US in NY.
Then everyone on here (this board) no matter where you live copy and paste the short letter and send it to whatever website we use based on the network of choice.
Copy the letter just as is and send it thru email but not as an attachment. Everyone send the same letter with nothing else added and with the same subject line in subject box.
I would say that if enough emails are received in regards to, they will do a story on it here in the US…they may even mention that there were a bunch of emails from all over the world requesting that this be covered.
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JWs trying hard to hide in obscurity right now
by Zoos inon other discussion boards where active jws participate i notice them deflecting questions about the royal commission in australia by bringing up child abuse statistics of other churches, ostensibly to demonstrate that there is nothing news worthy to see here... "move along!".
they are trying to make this story disappear into obscurity, irrelevance, as if it's just part and parcel of big institutional life, particularly of the religious nature.
oh, now they compare themselves to every other religion on the block?.
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johnamos
How about this…
Let’s pick and settle on a TV station/network in the US, like CNN, Fox news, etc…
Next someone with input from others write out a short letter asking this TV station/network to cover this news story from Australian being that the headquarters of the WTS is here in the US in NY.
Then everyone on here (this board) no matter where you live copy and paste the short letter and send it to whatever website we use based on the network of choice.
Copy the letter just as is and send it thru email but not as an attachment. Everyone send the same letter with nothing else added and with the same subject line in subject box.
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If Disfellowshipping pedophiles protects the congregation, what does it do for "Those Outside" they are expelled to?
by Wasanelder Once inwe all know the wt basis for disfellowshipping, (1 corinthians 5:9-13) 9 12 for what do i have to do with judging those outside?
do you not judge those inside, 13 while god judges those outside?
remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.. if removing "the man" is a protection for the congregation and no police are called, what does it say about the witnesses view of the world?
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johnamos
Being that you bring up her wedding…why is it that he is asked what type of protection was offered to her as far as staying with different families and how soon she was able to do so and yet here she is suppose to have a fiancée during this time….where was he during this time??? -
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If Disfellowshipping pedophiles protects the congregation, what does it do for "Those Outside" they are expelled to?
by Wasanelder Once inwe all know the wt basis for disfellowshipping, (1 corinthians 5:9-13) 9 12 for what do i have to do with judging those outside?
do you not judge those inside, 13 while god judges those outside?
remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.. if removing "the man" is a protection for the congregation and no police are called, what does it say about the witnesses view of the world?
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johnamos
Edit- I was writing this out after the post of the clip but by the time I now am sending it I see others have beat me to this. Anyway…
41:40 - 44:30 touches on the very point that you raise, however it is not accurate to view someone that gets disfellowshipped from the congregation and is then somehow sent out into the world and is then/now a threat. The risk was just the same to the worldly kids from this person while they were still part the congregation.
Also in this clip in that same time frame it touches on what I had mentioned on another thread. This lawyer (or whatever he is) makes the statement that it is not the practice of elder’s to inform the police/child protective services unless they are required by law.
So if they report cases when they are required by law and DO NOT report them when they are NOT required, they are not breaking any laws and should not be in a court of law. It can be said that they as the people they claim to be, that they have a moral responsibility to still report cases even thou they are not required by law, but as far as the law is concern in this matter (their policies) handling of child abuse cases, they are not breaking any laws and are not legally responsible. What needs to be addressed is why are there areas where it is not by law required to report such cases??? -
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Elder Exposed as a LIAR at the Australian Royal Commission
by The Searcher inthe lawyer at the australian royal commission (arc) hangs the elder out to dry on his own statements!.
wonderful to see the org's little dictators being subjected to their very own personal judicial committee hearing - but in front of millions, and not in secret!.
from 43 minutes onward.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0#t=2607.
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johnamos
It is stated that where the law is to report such matters then the elders abide by and do so and where the law does not require to report such matters they (the elders) do not do so, then the question is asked as to why they (the elders) don’t report these matters when it is not mandatory by the law…my question is why are there places that do not make it mandatory law to report all such cases???
I am not aware of any case where the WTS/GB/elders are said to be guilty of not reporting such matters in areas where it is mandatory to do so…so in that regard they have a 100% compliance record for reporting these cases to the law when it is mandatory to do so. So why should there not be an equal amount of out rage directed toward states/cities/countries, etc… that do not currently require cases to be reported???
People who say they care about protecting the children but have a ax to grind with the WTS/GB only focus in their crosshairs the WTS/GB/elders when speaking of being responsible for policies for protecting children but where are all the voices and rants condemning states/cities/countries, etc… where cases are not reported due to them not being states/cities/countries, etc…that mandate such???
If that were the case and that were done (mandate all) then based on the WTS/GB/elders record for reporting these cases… then there would be 100% compliance record for reporting these cases across the board. -
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Is the two-witness rule really unreasonable?
by stillin ini'm picturing a situation in which a savvy 12 year old doesn't like the house rules that mom's new husband has put into place.
or something along that line.
i can certainly agree that protection of children is paramount, but who protects the real victim in those cases?
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johnamos
Mephis
And your point is???
I am well aware of who it involves. The point is about false allegations being made against someone that truly is innocent of such allegations…allegations made by anyone male or female adult or child. And BTW, a lot of the child abuse cases are made by victims that are adults at the time that they come forward with their claims. -
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Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?
by Wasanelder Once inthe governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.
if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.
if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.
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johnamos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9SUSBJbmao&list=PLPQ6KZ-AGhVQbadlzMQN26dvMPzddxlui&index=5
1:03:07 - 1:03:23
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Is the two-witness rule really unreasonable?
by stillin ini'm picturing a situation in which a savvy 12 year old doesn't like the house rules that mom's new husband has put into place.
or something along that line.
i can certainly agree that protection of children is paramount, but who protects the real victim in those cases?
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johnamos
I am scared as a grown man to even tell/ask kids that are running around the pool area, etc… in my apartment complex to not run or drive/jump in the pool they way they do. If a kid now a day gets made at an adult all they have to do is make such a claim.
BTW, in the example above it is in regards to a step child but how about if your own sister and niece and brother in-law team up against you and claim you abused your niece in order to get money from you…this guy (Don Wallace) is a JW too.
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Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?
by Wasanelder Once inthe governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.
if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.
if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.
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johnamos
Oneeyedjoe - cultbgone,
I am not going to dispute what you are saying, I DO NOT agree with the WTS/GB but my point is that regardless of how wrong they (elders/WTS/GB) are, if the victims (if old enough) and or parents reported these cases to the police to begin with, then there would not be any cases that are said to be unreported cases to the authorities.
If the claim is made that the parents are not just as responsible for not reporting these cases as the elders, etc…are due to being influenced my cultish influences then that means that none of Charles Manson’s followers should have been jailed. Nor should anyone that kills/attacks due to influence from ISIS, Islam, etc… should not be held responsible for his or her actions either………