Posts by johnamos

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Mandatory reporting of Child sexual abuse and the failure to report when it`s not mandatory.

by smiddy in

the jehovah`s witnesses are on record as saying they obey the law in reporting child sex abuse when it is mandatory in the state or territory where it occurred .. in other words where it is not mandatory they do not report such abuse.. they will only do so if the law of the land requires them to do so.. where is the duty of care ,the protection of the victim ,the support ,and the legal protection , he or she would get from the government sponsored systems in place to protect such victims.. they obviously do not have the victims welfare as a first priority , if they did they would report it to the relevant departments of concern as soon as they became aware of such abuse , but they do not.regardless of whether it was mandatory or not.. it obviously has to do with protecting their perceived image of themselves in the community of not having a problem with child sex abuse.. as has been stated many times : "you " / " we" do not want to drag jehovah`s name through the mud".

and as the" royal commission " focusing on jehovah`s witnesses is demonstrating , children`s welfare are not being met.. smiddy.

johnamos

Doc... in line with what you have stated and with the title of this topic, here is an email that I just sent to Angus Stewart...(I saw another thread where someone here sent him a direct email so I thought hey why not I will also)

Angus Stewart,

I just want to start off saying that I am not in agreement with the WTS’s teachings, beliefs, and policies, etc… that said, this is the reality:

The elders in the Jehovah’s Witness church follow the teachings, beliefs, and policies that come solely from the governing body members (currently 7 men make up the GB at this time) of the WTS. In regards to their teachings, beliefs, and policies as it relates to child abuse, you yourself have recognized that they comply with reporting cases to the authorities whenever they occur in areas where it is the law to report such cases. In respect to reporting cases whenever they occur in areas where it is not the law to report such cases to the authorities you have pointed out that they do not report the cases and this they admit to. However, the question should be, is why is it that in some areas it is not required by law to do so??? Regardless, the facts are that the WTS/elders/GB are not doing anything legally wrong. They are following the laws of the land.

If y’all are really concerned about the children in these cases then why don’t you seek to change the laws of the land where it is not legally required to report such cases??? If this is done then the WTS/GB/elders will comply with reporting all such cases wherever they occur.

Next, as you yourself pointed out as it was read from their handbook and that is that regardless of the elders not reporting such cases, their handbook states that all JW’s are free to report crimes to the authorities. This means that the victims themselves can do so or the parents of the victims or anyone in the know about such crimes can do so. So in reality when the elders do not report cases whenever they are in areas where it is not required to do so, they are not breaking any laws and the cases going unreported are not solely due to the elders not reporting them, but if they go unreported it is because the victims themselves, or the parents of the victims or anyone in the know about such crimes refuse to report them even thou they are free to do so.

Lastly, when the legal team for the WTS ask questions in regards to the book that all JW’s would have to have studied and agreed with before they are able to become a baptized JW, those questions are showing that all those that have gone through that book are agreeing into and accepting the teachings, beliefs, and policies, etc… of the WTS/GB.

Basically, at the end of all this it will be seen that the WTS has done nothing legally wrong and that it is the victims themselves or the parents of the victims or anyone in the know about such crimes are the ones that should be the ones that report all such cases to the authorities. Also that the areas of your country (as well as around the world) that do not require it law to report, these areas should change their requirements and make it mandatory to report all such cases.

Respectfully,

John Amos

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Is the Holy Spirit directing this testimony?

by Mad Sweeney in

if anybody can advise how to get the vid to show here, i'll edit this post.

thanks.apologies for the inconsistent sound levels.. https://youtu.be/nok514dqlti.

johnamos

you should leave off verse 18 and also start off with a few clips of when they say that the spirit appointed them...

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ANNOUNCEMENT: Tomorrow, Reveal from the Center of Investigative Reporting is publishing a new text story on JW shunning and child abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

reveal from the center of investigative reporting is publishing a new text story on shunning and child abuse starting thursday in the early morning, july 30, 2015. revealnews.org this is the same organization that ran outstanding stories about kathleen conti last february on the reveal website and on pbs nightly news.. the reveal radio story will air on saturday, august 1, 2015, and will be available at over 300 stations in the us.

see revealnews.org .

barbara .

johnamos

How about this…

Let’s pick and settle on a TV station/network in the US, like CNN, Fox news, etc…

Next someone with input from others write out a short letter asking this TV station/network to cover this news story from Australian being that the headquarters of the WTS is here in the US in NY.

Then everyone on here (this board) no matter where you live copy and paste the short letter and send it to whatever website we use based on the network of choice.

Copy the letter just as is and send it thru email but not as an attachment. Everyone send the same letter with nothing else added and with the same subject line in subject box.

I would say that if enough emails are received in regards to, they will do a story on it here in the US…they may even mention that there were a bunch of emails from all over the world requesting that this be covered.

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JWs trying hard to hide in obscurity right now

by Zoos in

on other discussion boards where active jws participate i notice them deflecting questions about the royal commission in australia by bringing up child abuse statistics of other churches, ostensibly to demonstrate that there is nothing news worthy to see here... "move along!".

they are trying to make this story disappear into obscurity, irrelevance, as if it's just part and parcel of big institutional life, particularly of the religious nature.

oh, now they compare themselves to every other religion on the block?.

johnamos

How about this…

Let’s pick and settle on a TV station/network in the US, like CNN, Fox news, etc…

Next someone with input from others write out a short letter asking this TV station/network to cover this news story from Australian being that the headquarters of the WTS is here in the US in NY.

Then everyone on here (this board) no matter where you live copy and paste the short letter and send it to whatever website we use based on the network of choice.

Copy the letter just as is and send it thru email but not as an attachment. Everyone send the same letter with nothing else added and with the same subject line in subject box.

I would say that if enough emails are received in regards to, they will do a story on it here in the US…they may even mention that there were a bunch of emails from all over the world requesting that this be covered.

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If Disfellowshipping pedophiles protects the congregation, what does it do for "Those Outside" they are expelled to?

by Wasanelder Once in

we all know the wt basis for disfellowshipping, (1 corinthians 5:9-13) 9 12 for what do i have to do with judging those outside?

do you not judge those inside, 13 while god judges those outside?

remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.. if removing "the man" is a protection for the congregation and no police are called, what does it say about the witnesses view of the world?

johnamos

Being that you bring up her wedding…why is it that he is asked what type of protection was offered to her as far as staying with different families and how soon she was able to do so and yet here she is suppose to have a fiancée during this time….where was he during this time???

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If Disfellowshipping pedophiles protects the congregation, what does it do for "Those Outside" they are expelled to?

by Wasanelder Once in

we all know the wt basis for disfellowshipping, (1 corinthians 5:9-13) 9 12 for what do i have to do with judging those outside?

do you not judge those inside, 13 while god judges those outside?

remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.. if removing "the man" is a protection for the congregation and no police are called, what does it say about the witnesses view of the world?

johnamos

Edit- I was writing this out after the post of the clip but by the time I now am sending it I see others have beat me to this. Anyway…

41:40 - 44:30 touches on the very point that you raise, however it is not accurate to view someone that gets disfellowshipped from the congregation and is then somehow sent out into the world and is then/now a threat. The risk was just the same to the worldly kids from this person while they were still part the congregation.

Also in this clip in that same time frame it touches on what I had mentioned on another thread. This lawyer (or whatever he is) makes the statement that it is not the practice of elder’s to inform the police/child protective services unless they are required by law.

So if they report cases when they are required by law and DO NOT report them when they are NOT required, they are not breaking any laws and should not be in a court of law. It can be said that they as the people they claim to be, that they have a moral responsibility to still report cases even thou they are not required by law, but as far as the law is concern in this matter (their policies) handling of child abuse cases, they are not breaking any laws and are not legally responsible. What needs to be addressed is why are there areas where it is not by law required to report such cases???

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Elder Exposed as a LIAR at the Australian Royal Commission

by The Searcher in

the lawyer at the australian royal commission (arc) hangs the elder out to dry on his own statements!.

wonderful to see the org's little dictators being subjected to their very own personal judicial committee hearing - but in front of millions, and not in secret!.

from 43 minutes onward.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv8ptogc6k0#t=2607.

johnamos

It is stated that where the law is to report such matters then the elders abide by and do so and where the law does not require to report such matters they (the elders) do not do so, then the question is asked as to why they (the elders) don’t report these matters when it is not mandatory by the law…my question is why are there places that do not make it mandatory law to report all such cases???

I am not aware of any case where the WTS/GB/elders are said to be guilty of not reporting such matters in areas where it is mandatory to do so…so in that regard they have a 100% compliance record for reporting these cases to the law when it is mandatory to do so. So why should there not be an equal amount of out rage directed toward states/cities/countries, etc… that do not currently require cases to be reported???

People who say they care about protecting the children but have a ax to grind with the WTS/GB only focus in their crosshairs the WTS/GB/elders when speaking of being responsible for policies for protecting children but where are all the voices and rants condemning states/cities/countries, etc… where cases are not reported due to them not being states/cities/countries, etc…that mandate such???

If that were the case and that were done (mandate all) then based on the WTS/GB/elders record for reporting these cases… then there would be 100% compliance record for reporting these cases across the board.

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Is the two-witness rule really unreasonable?

by stillin in

i'm picturing a situation in which a savvy 12 year old doesn't like the house rules that mom's new husband has put into place.

or something along that line.

i can certainly agree that protection of children is paramount, but who protects the real victim in those cases?

johnamos

Mephis

And your point is???

I am well aware of who it involves. The point is about false allegations being made against someone that truly is innocent of such allegations…allegations made by anyone male or female adult or child. And BTW, a lot of the child abuse cases are made by victims that are adults at the time that they come forward with their claims.

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Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?

by Wasanelder Once in

the governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.

if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.

if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.

johnamos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9SUSBJbmao&list=PLPQ6KZ-AGhVQbadlzMQN26dvMPzddxlui&index=5

1:03:07 - 1:03:23

Straight from the victims mouth…

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Is the two-witness rule really unreasonable?

by stillin in

i'm picturing a situation in which a savvy 12 year old doesn't like the house rules that mom's new husband has put into place.

or something along that line.

i can certainly agree that protection of children is paramount, but who protects the real victim in those cases?

johnamos

I am scared as a grown man to even tell/ask kids that are running around the pool area, etc… in my apartment complex to not run or drive/jump in the pool they way they do. If a kid now a day gets made at an adult all they have to do is make such a claim.

BTW, in the example above it is in regards to a step child but how about if your own sister and niece and brother in-law team up against you and claim you abused your niece in order to get money from you…this guy (Don Wallace) is a JW too.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/relatives-of-rv-king-don-wallace-plead-guilty-in-extortion-case/1022100