Posts by johnamos

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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

by jwfacts in

i could not find mention of this before.

i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

johnamos

Jesus words Matt.5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you,till heaven and earth pass away".

How about citing the FULL context:

Matthew 5:17 “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill; 18 for truly I say to YOU that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place.

On the one hand his written word indicates that the world will pass away, not endure for ever , then on the other hand he indicates that it will

The physically earth did not pass away after either of the two said events occurred:

2 Peter 2:5 and he did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people; 6 and by reducing the cities Sod´om and Go·mor´rah to ashes he condemned them, setting a pattern for ungodly persons of things to come; 7 and he delivered righteous Lot,

Is there any real verse in the Bible talking about a ''paradise earth''? I've always wondered that.

(Genesis 2:15) And Jehovah God proceeded to take the man and settle him in the garden* of E´den to cultivate it and to take care of it.

* The Septuagint rendered the Hebrew word for “garden” (gan) by the Greek word pa·ra´dei·sos. To this fact we owe our association of the English word “paradise” with the garden of Eden.

(Genesis 1:28) Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”

(Psalm 115:16) As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong, But the earth he has given to the sons of men.

Isaiah 55:11 so my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it.

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New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

by jwfacts in

i could not find mention of this before.

i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

johnamos

Ecclesiastes 1:4 A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite

Rev. 11:17, 18: “We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time . . . to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

Psalm 104:5 He has founded the earth upon its established places; It will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever.

Matthew 5:5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

Ps. 37:29: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it

Matthew 25:46 And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

Proverbs 2:21 For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it.

Psalm 37:9 For evildoers themselves will be cut off, But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth.

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JW message becoming more and more relevant

by lsw1961 in

mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

johnamos

No need to bump…I just have decided that it would be in vain to try to continue to discuss this with you being that you are showing that you are unable to comprehend and apply what I have said so far.

You keep bringing a God and bible accounts that you don’t believe exist into the conversation.

You have not cited the accounts in the bible that you are using as your examples so that we can see the context in which these examples you are using.

You have not addressed how individual cops/military personally, etc…how in there home day to day life could be loving friendly and non violent, people, good fathers and husbands but yet are able to shoot/bomb and kill people when they are given the commands from their fellow just by chance in existence leaders.

How there are many people who would dare not hunt/harm deer, etc…and others do it for sport and yet the same people or would not hunt/harm animals, but if in a situation of a need for food, would fine themselves shooting deer/animals, etc.

I could go on and on but like I said, it would be in vain.

Anyway, you can respond however you want to this but I won’t be.

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Should Jehovah`s Witnesses be worshiping Jehovah ? or Jesus.

by smiddy in

jehovah`s christian witnesses , as they like to be known as , used to worship jesus in earlier times ,but now they do not worship jesus .

they worship a god named jehovah , who they admitted in the first edition of " aid to bible understanding " was not the correct pronunciation of the tetragrammaton `s four letter hebrew letters that represented god` name , by the way , a catholic monk of the 13th century came up with jehovah by just adding a couple of vowels.. to those four hebrew letters .which has since been revised to correctly translate the tetragrammaton as yhwh and many scholars put this name more accurately as yahweh or something more similar.. fact 1 .

the tetragrammaton does not appear in the " kingdom interlinear of christian greek scriptures " printed by the wtb&ts , a word for word translation of the greek scriptures.

johnamos

Thank you for your reply. Also I am glad that you mentioned the J and Y point. Is English your first language and if so do you have any objection to pronouncing and spelling the following names with the J instead of the Y and with an I instead of a Y???

Eng.>Jehoshua/Yehoshua<Heb.

Eng.>Jehoshaphat/Yehoshaphat<Heb.

Eng.>Zechariah/Zekharyah<Heb.

those names Jehoshua and Jehoshaphat start with a Y and not a J , as did Yesus instead of Jesus ,Hebrew not having a "J" sound .

On your above statement would you agree that the form of the word Yesus/Jesus was not found within the Hebrew scriptures but instead the form for that name found in them would have been Jehoshua/Yehoshua (long form) or Joshua/Yeshua (shorten form)???

And that when it comes to getting the form Yesus/Jesus it is based on translating Joshua/Yeshua into Greek which is Iesous and then translating Iesous into Latin which is Iesus and then translating Iesus into English which is Jesus…do you agree with all said thus far???

And apparently bending the Knee to Jesus is also an act of worship which now they refuse to do , yet the scriptures say is O.K.

YES, this is what the scriptures clearly say on that:

Philippians 2:10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

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JW message becoming more and more relevant

by lsw1961 in

mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

johnamos

There is no ducking your questions on my part but instead willing to adapt to your beliefs (for the sake of this discussion) that there is no God and the bible is not true, therefore if that is the case it should not be used as an example, but being that you are so adamant about including a God that you don’t believe exist and bible you think is fiction…then my answer is that being that you are referring to God here as he is real and exist and did give such commands, then my answer is YES, I would listen to whatever he says to do.

Keep in mind that while you are referring to God at this time (wherever you are going with your reasoning) as being real, then this same God that gave such commands is also the same one that gave those that are following his commands gave them their inherited conscience and one’s conscience could not be greater then the one who gave them it to begin with.

Also all that you are citing in your example when referring to something that is said to have happen in the bible, since you are using as if it is a true account , then the context of everything that you are referring to should be taking into consideration.

Example from an non biblical account…you might not go out and murder someone while committing some crime but you may be in the military and your government can call you up and send you to war and you would shoot and kill any that your government and commanders deem as enemies.

In that same military setting you may also capture and confine those that are deem fit to be even using then to work while in captivity.

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JW message becoming more and more relevant

by lsw1961 in

mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

johnamos

John....?

I do have a wife and do eat dinner! LOL

I don’t know what you feel is embarrassing but what should be is your inability to stop referring to the bible while trying to produce your questions. If you do not believe in Jehovah God (nor in a God) and do not believe the bible is true, then asking if I would have been led by divine command is not an option for me based on following your beliefs.

Also there was no:

“god commanding his followers to commit genocide and infanticide and to take slaves from the nations and gives them permission to indulge in kidnap, forced marriage/rape”

:if the bible is fiction and there is no God.

The only questions to ask and answer being that there is no God and the bible is not true are:

If we are here by chance, just through the evolution process, where/how did we get an inner feeling (conscience) that stops us???

If it is by chance through the evolution process then who can really say what is right and wrong and how things should and should not be???

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JW message becoming more and more relevant

by lsw1961 in

mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

johnamos

Why do you want to resort back to the bible if you don’t believe in it and for this sake I through it out the window…

If I am entertaining the thought of just by chance, just through the evolution process that we are here, then where do we get our sense of right and wrong and who determines it???

There are plenty of men that do not believe in the bible but think it is wrong to be sexual with another men…same with women. But yet those that are gay do not think it is wrong…so being that they are all here through the same just by chance, just through the evolution process…then who is correct to say it is wrong or not???

Apply the same to abortion, murder, suicide, adults having sex with minors, etc…name your evil(if there is evil who can say what is or not, if we are here by chance), who says what is wrong or not if we are only here just by chance through the evolution process???

Adding because I read your last reply after I posted the above-

Anyway I stated that I believe “the basis for stopping oneself from such action (or others actions) it is an inner feeling (conscience) that stops it”

Yes I went on to say that I believe that Jehovah is the one who instill such in us…but for this sake there is no Jehovah…so where/why did we get an inner feeling (conscience) that stops stops us??? If it is by chance through the evolution process then who can really say what is right and wrong and how things should and should not be???

And you can see my name is John so the saved-JW address is uncalled for especially being that I am not a JW nor ever was and am viewed by JW’s as an apostate.

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JW message becoming more and more relevant

by lsw1961 in

mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

johnamos

How then did we come to feel that it is wrong…I am talking about within our inner-self???
Is it by chance, just through the evolution process???

I did answer your questions you just were not able to discern them. It is you that did not answer my above two.

Anyway to answer you, NO not just through a book is the basis for stopping oneself from such action (or others actions) it is an inner feeling (conscience) that stops it, a conscience that I believe is there based on being created in the image of Jehovah God. I believe that he is the one that determines what is right and wrong and has the right to do so.

If we are here by chance, just through the evolution process where did that conscience come from???

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JW message becoming more and more relevant

by lsw1961 in

mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

johnamos

Imagine for the sake of discussion that there is no god. Why do you think it would still be wrong to abuse a child? Is it only your faith in an invisible deity and an Iron Age book that stops you being a child abuser?

You are making my point…let’s throw the bible out the window so that it is not the basis for refraining from such an action and the cause for feeling that it would be wrong.

How then did we come to feel that it is wrong…I am talking about within our inner-self???

Is by chance, just through the evolution process???

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JW message becoming more and more relevant

by lsw1961 in

mans requirements are limited which can be satisfied with a little and tension-free endeavor..

however man attempts not only to collect but also to grab and amass everything to the excess.

somehow he feels that he can be happy only when he has in abundance whereas others have nothingwhich seems to be the thread that runs throughout the history.

johnamos

See that was easy. You just needed someone to show you the light.

Thanks, I’m clear now…but I was just wondering why we feel sad when we hear about child abuse cases???

I mean, are the feelings of love, sadness, anger, empathy, etc… and all of the MANY more human emotions…are they just part of the evolution process???

If so, then who is to say what is wrong and right??? Who determines that???

How can someone be set on saying that it is wrong to abuse a child, or kill a person, etc???

If the person/s that feel that it is wrong did they just by chance came to that complex form of thinking???

If so, what of those person/s that feel that it is not wrong???

Did they just not advance with the correct complex form of thinking in that area???

How do we know that at the present evolved state of man that everything that many think is wrong (bad and evil) is suppose to be that way???

Who is setting the standards???

How do we know that we are not fighting against the evolution process???

So basically some of mankind are God’s right…even if they did not create themselves and others (other then their own offspring) they can decide what is right and wrong for all???

Wow, who would of thought that today I would go from believing in the existence of one God, Jehovah to the fact that he is not real but instead the evolution process created the God's of mankind.