Posts by Journeyman

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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

by BeaverEater in

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im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

lol.

Journeyman

I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

I find it interesting that no-one applies this foolish 'logic' to any other area of life, yet many seem to think it is reasonable when it comes to religious belief:

"I was disappointed in the last relationship I had, so obviously all relationships are bad and I don't do relationships anymore."
"I was disappointed by the last job I had, so obviously all jobs are bad and I don't work any more."
"I was disappointed by the last house/flat I lived in, so obviously all homes are bad and I don't live in houses any more."
"I was disappointed by the last car I bought, so obviously all cars are bad and I don't drive any more."
"I was disappointed by the last political party I supported, so obviously all parties are bad and I don't take part in any politics." (Actually to be fair, I could agree with this one!)

Yet "I was disappointed by the last religion I was part of, so obviously all religions are bad and there is no God" is considered a 'logical' conclusion.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

Ok, so he publicly apologises to Tibor for forgetting his birthday.

Yet no public apology to the (many) people who he has intimidated, harassed, dismissed, insulted and defamed (yes, for real) over the years.

No public apology to his wife who he has verbally and emotionally abused, humiliated and treated "like a rag for cleaning the floor".

No public apology for the terrible example as a man, a husband and a father, that he has set for his daughters.

No public apology to the patrons to whom he has broken his promises, and whose money he has squandered on sex tourism and other self-indulgences.

Fine. But we see you, and we remember. The internet has a long memory!

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Leaked. Nov 6th Secret Boxes

by Beth Sarim in

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self-aware npc has an upload that the ""top-secret"' elders only secret boxes is a drum roll here......a new brochure.....ta dahhhh🤪.

i mean how more dramatic can we get..

Journeyman

11/6, 6/11, 9/11... This is starting to sound suspiciously like numerology and gematria.

I know Russell and many of the early Bible students followed all of that, but I thought we'd left most of that behind in these "more enlightened" times...

Not to mention the classic statement from Jesus about "concerning that day and hour nobody knows... only the Father".

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Latest Study Watchtower

by BoogerMan in

august 2023 study watchtower, page 13, par.

20 - “these events will lead directly to the final war of armageddon.”.

.............repeating what has been said for years -.

Journeyman

It could be argued that the second reference is correct, as it says Armageddon will be the final war "against Satan's world". Once the 1,000 year reign begins, the world will no longer be Satan's - he will no longer be the predominant force and his earthly organisations and structures will have been destroyed - so once he is released at the end, he will be in the minority rather than being the 'ruler' of that world.

However, the first reference would still be wrong in simply stating “these events will lead directly to the final war of Armageddon" without qualifying that.

What's also interesting is that that Rev 20 scripture still refers to "nations" - will mankind still be split into national groups, or is that a figure of speech, like "people of all nations", simply meaning from all backgrounds? Or will it mean that those near the end of the 1,000 year reign who choose not to live by God's rule will split off into independent 'nations' elsewhere on the earth? The verse also implies a physical location (or several) for the enemies of God ("they advanced and encircled...") and also a single physical location for the followers of God ("... the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city").

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

A week later and it looks like he's not getting the response he wants...

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C/O's in the UK

by jookbeard in

anyone got any info of c/o's in the uk ?

a small list etc?.

Journeyman

Michael Purbrick was never liked in our congregation, everyone glad to see the back of him.

I don't know anyone who's ever said otherwise! He's the only person - CO, elder or anyone else in a JW congregation - that I've never heard anyone have a good word for!

The only thing I can say in his favour is that he was a very good speaker.

I remember him giving a talk about the impalement of Jesus, and his ability to paint the picture of the last hours of Jesus' life, including the nails being driven into him and the likely effect on his heart of the pressure of being suspended so long on the stake (or cross, if you prefer) causing the heart muscles to rupture and produce the "blood and water" separation the Bible refers to, was very vivid and dramatic.

Especially now in these days of 30 minute public talks, and items and 'symposium' parts which are so salami-sliced and dumbed down, I miss those captivating speakers who could hold an audience for 45 minutes or more without needing to resort to a script of Q&A questions or, even worse, a video or animation.

However, of course the main point of a CO should be that he can do the pastoral care part well - encouraging and supporting everyone in the congregation - and Purbrick had no gifts in that department at all!

In reality, most COs are just administrators - like regional sales auditors sent in to assess overall performance and report back to the branch. But it's a bonus when you do find one who actually seems to care for people, not just numbers and rules.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

Spacey, Schofield, Evans - The root of the problem in all of them is the same: denial of the true facts or extent of their fault or failings, stemming from egotism.

Instead of just putting their hands up and saying "Yes, I did something wrong, I'm sorry and I want to make amends", the excuses follow the same sort of pattern with such people.

First it's some form of denial like:

"No, I've done nothing actually WRONG, I've been misunderstood."
"No, I've done nothing actually WRONG, it's my haters spreading lies."

Then if the pressure to admit the truth continues, it becomes downplaying and deflection of blame:

"Ok, I may have done something wrong but I just made a mistake, a slight misjudgement."
"Ok, I may have done something wrong but I'm not well (mental health, 'stress', or other vaguely defined 'condition')."
"Ok, I may have done something wrong but I was influenced by [my parents or upbringing/genetics/society/my peers]"
"Ok, I may have done something wrong but I was badly advised by my [friends/partner/business associates]."
"Ok, I may have done something wrong but now I'm being hounded for it by my enemies who want to destroy me."
"Ok, I may have done something wrong but now you're just trying to persecute me because you're prejudiced that I'm [poor/black/foreign/disabled/gay/bi/non-binary/trans - insert minority group I identify with]."
"Ok, I may have done something wrong but I'm not as bad as the people who [rape kids/slaughter animals/traffick people/etc]"

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"Fully Accomplish Your Ministry"—2 Timothy 4:5

by Silentslayer in

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helloo guys, anyone who did theyre pioneer school book and still got their notes from it?

please share with me , i need answers asap , pioneer school coming up in 2 weeks thank you!

i need answers from when you were fully pimi.

Journeyman

It was a long time ago that I was at pioneer school, and like everything else since GB2.0 took full control, I believe it's been dumbed down (they've changed the course and produced a new book with fewer sections, removed the actual ministry part and reduced it to just one week, I think?) - so any notes I might still have wouldn't be relevant anymore.

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C/O's in the UK

by jookbeard in

anyone got any info of c/o's in the uk ?

a small list etc?.

Journeyman

Found this list on another thread from years ago, which I've adjusted to show the names better. It's from 2006, so I wonder how many of these have since been put out to pasture, or are perhaps not even JWs today? Maybe a few are pushing up the daisies by now.

Some familiar names there - Jolly, Storer, Birtles, Ainge, Rastall, Stokes, Spurr, Irons, Purbrick, Algar.

Vigo and Drage are familiar names from earlier comments too, of course. Also Doug Beavor.

Doug Turnbull. - Probably best not to mention what happened to him.

Didn't he abandon his wife and run off with a sister sometime in the 70s while serving up north?