Posts by Journeyman

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JW Marriages - Loophole in wedding vows

by Finally-Free in

not being raised as a jw, i went to many church weddings, mostly in catholic churches.

all the times i went to jw weddings i thought it unusual that they had their own vows, much different from the wedding vows used elsewhere.

i remembered jws mentioning "divine temination" of marriages to me and thought the vows reflected that thought.

Journeyman

He told me that At one wedding--the person conducting the ceremony decided to use his own words--and my dad stopped him and insisted he use the exact words in the script. I dont think he was too popular after that.

I heard of a case like that during a recent JW wedding. The "authorised person" was also a JW, and was also a stickler for the rules like your dad (rightly so, IMO). It wasn't as bad as the bro taking the service using his own words, but apparently what happened was that the bro was either underprepared or nervous and accidentally mis-spoke - leaving out some words or something similar - and the AP interrupted him and made him go right back and start over again.

Funny how only the vows for the wife mention respect.

This is based on the scripture at Ephesians 5:33 "Nevertheless, each one of you must love his wife as he does himself; on the other hand, the wife should have deep respect for her husband."

I suppose the idea is because the husband is supposedly the "head" of the marriage, having respect is considered more important towards someone "taking the lead".

But yes, respect should be a basic requirement on both sides (and come to that, in every family relationship - between kids and parents too).

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What is "the UK’s LARGEST GROWING consumer goods sector?"

by BoogerMan in

would you have guessed it's vaping?.

apparently kids can buy vapes in the uk - with very little/zero deterrents for retailers.

follow the money!.

Journeyman

I find it depressing how vaping shops have spread on British high streets (and that stat about their growth says a lot about the state of the UK today).

As if there are not enough needless so-called businesses out there, with nail bars, tattoo parlours, betting shops, cheap chicken takeaways, and other tacky operations in a lot of rundown UK towns, we now have another largely valueless addition with vape stores.

With all the current cultural hype about vaping, I wouldn't be surprised if its found in a few years to come that it is not as "healthy" an alternative to "real" smoking as is currently being claimed. It's the same old trick: get naive consumers hooked on something to spend their money on that they will keep coming back for (but that gives them zero real benefits) then milk them for cash for as long as possible.

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How did you pass the time when the Kingdom Hall meetings became boring and repetitive/

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

another boring and repetitive ''watchtower study.

'' all the articles are about the ''faithful and discreet slave.''.

for whatever reason, you tolerate this for years.

Journeyman

The good thing about the fact that all the congregations now use electronic devices rather than paper magazines and Bibles, is the ease with which it's possible to read other documents or websites without being noticed. A relief for today's PIMOs!

Previously, I used to find volunteering to be an attendant or work on the sound desk made time pass quicker and gave something else to focus your mind on during particularly tedious studies. Not an option for sisters, of course!

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"Independent" Scotland joke!

by BoogerMan in

humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

Journeyman

The whole idea of Scottish independence is a bit of a joke anyway, TBH.

I agree, especially now with what has been revealed about the SNP leadership. And with wee Nicola Krankie out of office, Hamza is a far less inspiring and unifying figure (thankfully).

Leaving the EU was the right move, but breaking up the UK would be a disaster for all the constituent countries, IMO, and the sooner the prospect of Scottish independence recedes into the background, the better.

I always found it amazing that the pro-indy Scots (and Remoaners around the rest of the UK) would whinge about anyone who was against Scottish independence but supported Brexit, claiming it was hypocritical.

However, there is a huge difference between being a member of a 300+ year borderless union of essentially similar nations which has stood for generations and during which millions have intermarried, lived and work together, versus a constantly changing union (from 6 to 27 in 70 years, and 8 more bidding to join) of less than 80 years duration (and only 33 for borderless travel) between hugely different nations, many of whom have significant cultural and historic differences and have been at war with each other even in the past century.

Anyone who cannot see that the EU and UK are at root very different unions (and that's not to mention the aspect of a shared landmass) is both culturally and historically naive.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

Good grief, that even LOOKS like a cult photo!

The low-budget hippy cult leader (who's eaten a few too many pies) holding forth with his "pearls of wisdom", while the adoring acolyte gazes at him in rapt attention.

Frightening.

Even the funky chest of drawers in the background has a ziggurat-like appearance to it. And what are those votive offerings on the top in front of the clock?

And what do those kind of cult leaders have in common?

Milk their followers for money
Obsessed with sex
Drag along with them a number of weak-willed and/or brain-washed followers
Get an ego boost from the praise of those 'worshippers'
Over-inflated sense of their own importance
Unable to believe they could be wrong, that their 'mission' will fail or that they will be brought down
Demonise anyone who opposes or resists them.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

.Can you imagine if OOPS , the other photos the rated XXX one ,had been leak ?

Oh please, no. I hope there AREN'T any X rated pics or video of LE out there!

If there were any I hope they were securely deleted, for the sake of the wellbeing of mankind. I don't ever want to have my eyeballs assaulted by the sight of such a thing!

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Very Interesting Post...

by XBEHERE in

jw
friends

and then, for two years…..nothing happened.until they pretended everything was normal and sent everyone back to the hamster wheel.

back to meetings, back to d2d, back to assemblies & conventions.

everyone, get back on the hamster wheel, and don’t you dare complain or try to get out of it by using zoom.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/14fhe4y/exercise_patience_classic_gaslighting_from_wt/ .

Journeyman

Anyone who believed that our pandemic was a sign has to be crackers...
I never saw that in the JW official teaching although I am sure some jumpy dubs went for it .

Agreed. I never believed for a second that COVID would inevitably be the start of the long-awaited "end". The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 was far more deadly and yet the end didn't come then.

Besides which, as the Bible often reminds us, the end is supposed to come "like a thief", "at a time [you] do not think to be it" and so on. That would hardly be consistent with an obvious global situation like a deadly plague sweeping the planet (not that COVID proved to be as bad as it could've been, but we know it is still possible for a future pandemic to be worse).

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Journeyman

Now our paragon of free speech and respectful dialogue has some (hypocritical) advice for Elon Musk...

... and some more about "respectful public engagement with opposing viewpoints"!

EDIT: Page 999!

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The currently missing 'Titan' submarine. What do you think?

by SydBarrett in

jw
friends

any opinions are just speculation, but my guess, being morbid, is that there was not a hull breach and implosion (although that would have been the most merciful fate for them), but instead the amateur level of building this thing meant that it lost power and communication and got itself tangled in the titanic's wreckage or is sitting on the actual seabed with no way to release ballast to resurface.

terrifying.

what's your gut feeling?

Journeyman

Oh, and surprise surprise - it appears there were safety concerns about the Titan submersible in the past...

Titanic sub: Safety concerns raised about missing submersible
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65977432

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The currently missing 'Titan' submarine. What do you think?

by SydBarrett in

jw
friends

any opinions are just speculation, but my guess, being morbid, is that there was not a hull breach and implosion (although that would have been the most merciful fate for them), but instead the amateur level of building this thing meant that it lost power and communication and got itself tangled in the titanic's wreckage or is sitting on the actual seabed with no way to release ballast to resurface.

terrifying.

what's your gut feeling?

Journeyman

If they cut corners, the risk could go from a tiny possibility to an almost guaranteed disaster. I wonder, if you told the people paying such large dollar amounts that they might not be able to track the sub if it got lost, would they have stepped aboard?

Surely businesses providing such services have a duty of care to their customers? Ok, so you might be trying to provide an 'exciting' experience, but it can't really be much different in principle to an adventure holiday company, a theme park with 'thrill' rides, etc. The service you provide may have a certain level of risk, but if you know that there is a greater degree of risk which you as a provider could take reasonable steps to mitigate against (but you don't), then surely there is a basis for corporate negligence or manslaughter charges right there? Things like a secondary power and/or propulsion source, or a backup means of communicating with another vessel or the surface, should be the minimum safety for a deep-sea diving vessel such as this.

This reminds me of the horrific Kursk submarine disaster, but that was a slightly different situation as it was a military vessel and there were multiple faults and failings which led to all 118 crew dying, and the sub lying on the bottom for over a week before rescuers reached it.