Lloyd will always be a liability to any organisation or group he is in - whether it's the JWs, the Atheist Alliance, the Croatian Musician's Union or the Mickey Mouse Fan Club - because Lloyd is only interested in advancing the opinions and desires of one person: himself.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
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Even with recent changes it’s a struggle to get people to attend
by hoser inthe kingdom hall is still empty.
even with amalgamation of 2 congregations.
the elders are handling the microphones and there was only one comment from zoom at the watchtower.
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Ever think maybe WatchTower is actually "Babylon the Great", and the people getting away from her detestable behaviour are the ones being sifted? The irony!
For some time I've certainly thought it's arrogant of the GB to assume the JW org would not also be tested and need purifying. Of course, they would never admit it, as they claim it was somehow all done by 1919, but all the scriptural evidence is that even if an org is supported by God it gets more sifting and testing.
The nation of Israel was constantly in need of cleansing. The first century Christian congregation had "certain men" that had slipped in, and misunderstanding and internal wrangling like circumcision, and who was "best", and whether or not the resurrection had happened, and many other controversies (plus of course individuals among them who were practicing badness like immorality, stealing, etc, that needed weeding out). Even in Revelation when the congregations with the lampstands are examined, Jesus basically gives a number of the warnings that they need to sort themselves out before he comes.
The principle used to be mentioned that "judgement starts with the house of God". Funny how that verse - along with many others which should prompt honest self-examination by the GB, helpers and other prominent men in the org - gets overlooked these days!
Just look even at their most recent example, with the lack of humility over the subject of beards: no apology for error, no recognition that it was a false issue that never had a scriptural basis, and worse, they somehow make it out to be God's volte-face by Lett claiming that now "Jehovah dignifies us with the choice for each brother to decide for himself whether to grow a beard". Err.. Christians have always had that freedom, it's only been a certain group of men on earth who have made an issue out of it up until now!--
Back on the main subject though: In my area, meeting attendance is moderate. It's still not what it was before COVID, but I have to say it's not dropped through the floor. In fact it's gradually been improving, although there's still about a quarter of the congregation regularly on Zoom.
Attendance for in-person ministry groups, however, is way down, and those that do attend seem to do a lot less and be a lot less 'zealous' than we all used to be (house to house is usually just a few doors then go separate ways on "return calls"). Most publishers at Zoom ministry meetings will just get their territory and disappear off shortly after the prayer, so you have no idea if they're writing, calling on doors or not even doing anything!
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Geoffrey Jackson goatiegate Part 2
by Tahoe infrom ske graduation this past weekend.
(sent from a pimi).
from ske on zoom: .
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My underlying thought for the previous comment is, could this quick adoption of facial hair (if genuine) be an indication that Jackson is actually one of the key players behind a lot of the major organisational changes lately?
He's been a more low-profile character in recent years, compared to the likes of Sanderson (and of course the always-OTT Lett, who seemed back to his previous form of exaggerated delivery with his recent broadcast justifying the beard change), and as a result not many have considered him a significant 'power behind the throne', but perhaps this is a sign that Jackson is actually more influential in tearing up the old GB1.0 rulebook than had been assumed? (And possibly also more responsible for the dumping of AMIII, too?)
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Geoffrey Jackson goatiegate Part 2
by Tahoe infrom ske graduation this past weekend.
(sent from a pimi).
from ske on zoom: .
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Rockin' that goatee, he reminded me a bit of the veteran musician Peter Gabriel...
On a more serious note... if this is real, it's interesting he's grown a beard so soon. Was it simply the "set the lead" for the congregations to show that it's ok now, or is this in fact an indication that Jackson was always against the "no beard" nonsense? (For the record, I agree with StephaneLaliberte that the fuss about beards was always ridiculous.) -
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
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Allegedly questionable activities in the UK, Croatia and Thailand, illegal hallucinogens in Canada - our man is building up quite a list of countries where he might one day end up being on the run from the law! 🏃 🚓 🤣
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Lard I Mean Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - January 2024
by DerekMoors inokay people, you know the drill.
give us your best estimate for where jabba the hut's fatter, broker cousin will be with patrons on january 2.. some numbers to consider:.
last september is when he did his beg-fest and peaked at 478. just two months later, early november, he was down to 427. .
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There we go! It's 0730 GMT/UTC on Tuesday 2nd January 2024 and he's made it.
He's officially equalled his previous lowest figure of 387 paid members for the past few years, as last 'achieved' in January and April 2023!🤣 -
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
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There we go! It's 0730 GMT/UTC on Tuesday 2nd January 2024 and he's made it.
He's officially equalled his previous lowest figure of 387 paid members for the past few years, as last 'achieved' in January and April 2023! 🤣 Anything lower than this now is a 'bonus'... -
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Will Self on JWs
by Slidin Fast inwill self is a well known thinker, journalist and writer here in the uk.
i think this article is absolutely on the money.
in any case, well worth a read.
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TBH i cant stand Will Self. Very apt name though.
I'm with you on that, Stan. I really don't see this typically arrogant piece by Self as really landing any significant blows against the JWs, especially since it contains a few lazy inaccuracies, as LoveUni pointed out.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
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A while ago I wrote:
So 386 is the 'magic' number that we're all waiting for and he's probably desperate to avoid, as it will show a new low in paid support for his channel since he pressed the self-destruct button on his career and personal life at Christmas 2021. At the current rate of 'progress', he's on target to hit that in early 2024..
As I (and a number of others) have been predicting for a while now, it looks like he is on target to start 2024 matching his lowest level of paid support since the end of 2019 (387 patrons), judging by his recent monthly falls. Unless he artificially inflates his Patreon numbers, he only has to lose 14-15 in the next few days to reach that milestone!
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)
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This mental health counsellor paints an interesting picture of what may happen in the future when a narcissist has children, as those children grow to adulthood.
From 5:16 he also mentions that sometimes narcissists may become more immature and vindictive as they age, feeling they have been wronged and failed by everyone else. "The need to avenge themselves is still there", he says. Sounds familiar?
The latter part of the video is a warning to narcissists of what lies in store as they enter old age. A cautionary tale... for some. *ahem*