Posts by Uncanny

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Manchester United Ruined My Life.

by Englishman in

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will time spent as a jehovahs witness always have a disabling effect on a persons life, does the very existence of the wtbts cause us to feel wounded?.

is it a good idea to blame the wtbts for the negative impact that it has had on our lives, or will their come a point when the experience ultimately proves to be character-building?.

if the experience does eventually engender a form of emotional intelligence within us, does this mean that we must start to think about actually forgiving all those jw's who handed out to us their own special form of emotional abuse?.

Uncanny

Ah, a thinking English soccer hooligan. Just joking, Englishman. Always enjoy your thought provoking posts, true life experiences and interesting suppositions like this latest one.

So how can believing in something for so many years only to find out it was wrong NOT have a permanently disabling effect on one's life? But maybe if we genuinely free ourselves from the WTBS false realities and then accept each other for who we are now - out amongst the walking wounded - surely we can go forward and make the most of what we've got left; time and circumstances permitting.

Yes, I still blame the WTBS for ruining my life, but I don't hold them responsible. I joined them, they didn't join me.

As for your question about forgiving others. What's to say that a lot of the emotional abuse we have all suffered from Witnesses in one way or another would still not have happened anyway if we hadn't been hooked up with this religion? When push comes to shove, I believe people tend to react in a predictable way regardless of who they are, which way they worship or what they believe in.

My own theory for a better future for mankind now would be to wrest control of globalisation out of the hands of the corporations so the world can be a better place in our lifetime.

Uncanny

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US to lose King of the South Crown

by Uncanny in

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now that the news is out the the united states of america has lost its seat on the united nations security council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the brooklyn writing deparetment will strip them of their king of the south title.. the us says it was because europe couldn't "get its act together.

" but the truth was they just didn't get enough votes.

not too many salutes from the middle east or the asian countries, especially after george w's spyplane fiasco over the chinese border.. i'd like to see china, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days.

Uncanny

Whoops, Tina, I meant, SORELLA Valentina,

That's an interesting story about my Ethiopian princess and the Isle of Capri. Although it sounds like a dream or some fantasy, it actually happened. And seeing that I'm in a rarely sociable mood, I would like to share it with you and others.

When I attached myself to the English speaking group of Jehovah's Witnessess in Naples, Italy, a couple of years ago, one summer Saturday in '98 we organised a group of us to catch the motor ferry to nearby Capri for the day. We were all supposed to meet at the wharf and travel there together. But only me and a gorgeous Ethipian sister turned up. Anyway, we didn't miss the boat that day, and if you can think of a better place than Capri to fall in love then I'd like to know.

I never knew nearly all native Africans can't swim; so I had the pleasure of teaching her a few strokes. The Australian crawl? We had a ball together and both felt complete at Empeor Tiberius' restored villa, San Michelle. The view from the colonade looking down haunts my memory still. And I will never forget the feeling of completeness I had when touring ancient Roman ruins like I was on a date after all those years of singleness. I rate that Saturday as probably one of the most beautifully natural and fulfilling days of my life.

This strange and exotic sister and I have kept in touch for almost two and a half years. But after I flicked the Trooth 14 months ago we've gradually drifted apart. Like a rose slowly dies. She wanted to still stay friends and so did I, for a while. But what's the point? It's not fair on her or myself, as this crazy religion continues to provide her support system and has doomed any further bonding in our relationship. So no more midnight phone calls or letters either way. It's over now.

I've lost a lot in life and it often seems as if everybody I ever loved has died or left me. Only this time I can't blame the other side as I also have had a hand in saying goodbye. So no, I no longer have my Ethiopian princess. And what can one say when love dies?

Uncanny

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US to lose King of the South Crown

by Uncanny in

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now that the news is out the the united states of america has lost its seat on the united nations security council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the brooklyn writing deparetment will strip them of their king of the south title.. the us says it was because europe couldn't "get its act together.

" but the truth was they just didn't get enough votes.

not too many salutes from the middle east or the asian countries, especially after george w's spyplane fiasco over the chinese border.. i'd like to see china, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days.

Uncanny

Hi Sorello Valentina,

Yeah, Kyoto was nice work, and let's not forget the recent U-turn on limiting greenhouse emmissions. Australia can't talk. As usual, we cow towed to our allies and Uncle Sam and are also offending established international standards. Don't think I'm anti-American, I'm not. We're just another American town down under - least we're not still British! - and Adairs country bar on Hall Street in Dallas still rules for me.

And I ain't no Chinese commie sympathiser either. They still lead the world when it comes to having an appalling record of abusing human rights. There is another point for them being the new King of the South - some more food for thought for Watchtower revision writers.

When all is said and done, Tina, I'd rather be back in Naples. Or should I say, swimming again with my Ethipoian princess off the Isle of Capri.

Uncanny

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US to lose King of the South Crown

by Uncanny in

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now that the news is out the the united states of america has lost its seat on the united nations security council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the brooklyn writing deparetment will strip them of their king of the south title.. the us says it was because europe couldn't "get its act together.

" but the truth was they just didn't get enough votes.

not too many salutes from the middle east or the asian countries, especially after george w's spyplane fiasco over the chinese border.. i'd like to see china, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days.

Uncanny

Jang,

Yeah, I'm still around. Still waiting for the big one. Or as Randy Newman used to sing, "They all hate us anyhow,
so let's drop the big one now."

To answer your question, I'm now living in the picturesque Adelaide Hills of South Australia. A very pretty and fine autumn at the moment with the deciduous trees changing colour and dropping their leaves. But I did buy a hillside acre and a quarter of semi-rural paradise in Northern New South Wales last week where I hope to build a house later this year with the professional help of an ex-study, now also a WT-apostate, and without much help from me.

I just couldn't wait anymore for the world to end so I might claim my post apocalyptic mansion at Point Piper. Have to do it myself, I guess. Up the Roosters!

Uncanny

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US to lose King of the South Crown

by Uncanny in

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now that the news is out the the united states of america has lost its seat on the united nations security council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the brooklyn writing deparetment will strip them of their king of the south title.. the us says it was because europe couldn't "get its act together.

" but the truth was they just didn't get enough votes.

not too many salutes from the middle east or the asian countries, especially after george w's spyplane fiasco over the chinese border.. i'd like to see china, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days.

Uncanny

Now that the news is out the the United States of America has lost its seat on the United Nations Security Council, one can only speculate if and when the old boys in the Brooklyn Writing Deparetment will strip them of their King of the South title.

The US says it was because Europe couldn't "get its act together." But the truth was they just didn't get enough votes. Not too many salutes from the Middle East or the Asian countries, especially after George W's spyplane fiasco over the Chinese border.

I'd like to see China, the awakening giant, take on the role of the big bad Bible bogeyman on the planet during these never ending wicked last days. Who knows? I might even get to see the Chinese premier - and not an impersonator next time - telling Jay Leno's worldwide audience on Television to "righten up" before singing "Everybody have fun tonight. Everybody wang chung tonight."

Änd now that Russia's failure with communism is seeing that former superpower heading back into pre-Bolshevik corruption and poverty, who do you think the new King of the North will be? Aw, that's too easy. Blame Canada.

Uncanny

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Choices we have, choices we make....

by Sunchild in

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"when you're older, you'll understand.".

"when you're older, you'll learn to see things my way.".

"when you're older, you'll be cynical and bitter.

Uncanny

Hello, Sunchild,

Good to see you back and writing so well again.

Yes, you CAN make it on your own. It just takes a little practice.
I've had 18 years of it now and don't believe I'm bitter or old yet.

Uncanny

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Brooklyn, are you listening?

by OrangeBlossom in

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i wonder if the gb ever check this board to get a grasp of how the rank & file (the hanger-oners like me) really feel about things or even curious as to why so many have left the organization.

there are many elders and ministerial servants that post here because they are so frustrated with what is going on.

i think that they would really like to see a change, a reform of some sort.

Uncanny

OrangeBlossom,

I enjoyed your list of possible improvements to be made from the "Brooklyn Honchos", as you call them.

I would add one about trying to get the JW rank and file members to be less judgemental of others. I believe it's this growing lack of love amongst the brothers which is doing just as much to thin out the numbers in the Kingdom Halls as is the failed predictions, stern rulership and out of date operational methods coming from the big end of Brooklyn.

It's been said that the Watchtower Society constantly monitors JW discussion forums like this one, maybe even on a 24 hours basis. It's also believed that the brothers who do this type of covert Net site lurking and reporting are constantly rotated for fear of them being contaminated by apostate teachings. Or is it more a case of those Brooklyn honchos being in fear that some of their theocratic donkeys will learn the truth about the truth and opt out themselves?

It is my humble opinion that if every mentally coherent Jehohvahs Witness was to learn the Truth about their religion, the Kingdom Halls would not just be thinned out, they would be virtually empty.

Uncanny

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Baptism Into the Organization

by AlanF in

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today's remarks about the wts's 1985 baptismal vows reminded me of.

an incident an elder recently told me about.

seems a man was still.

Uncanny

Oh dear, I stand unliked and corrected. How logical of you.

'When you make a vow to God do not be backward about paying it off, because fools are not liked...' Eccl 5:4 (The Bible In Living English.)

I would rather be a fool than a fraud.

Uncanny

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Baptism Into the Organization

by AlanF in

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today's remarks about the wts's 1985 baptismal vows reminded me of.

an incident an elder recently told me about.

seems a man was still.

Uncanny

I got baptised as one of Jehovah's Christian Witneses in 1982, three years before the oral vows during the ceremony were altered to pledge allegiance to the Watchtower Society as well as the Creator.

Therefore, I rate my baptism as fully legal and acceptable to God. (Not that it means much to me anymore. Time will tell.)

But do baptised brothers and sisters from the past 15 years enjoy the same status? Hardly. And the great shame is that virtually none of these brothers and sisters even realise that they have really dedicated their lives to an Organisation, not a God. This newly written baptismal pledge of allegiance makes one wonder how many other sneaking changes have been made by the Organisation in the past 15-20 years; only to go unchallenged, or worst, unnoticed, by the faithful rank and file JW majority.

You can hardly blame the sheeplike ones though. For since the failure of other long held doctrines and 'unofficial' predictions like that epic 1975 "Armageddon is Here" one, it seems the WTBS' Governing Body has turned chameleon-like alterations and/or additions into an art form. As a faithful witness, I wasn't even aware of the impact of the changes made for a symbolic dedication until I did some exterior research when on my way out of the organisation just over a year ago now.

So how insidiously dangerous a religion like this one can be. For when you think you've found the right channel - that exclusive hotline to God - it's so easy to be mind controlled: lulled into mental lethargy by just always going along with what you're told.

Not only are the Society's so-called powers to annul a baptism completely outrageous and unacceptable, as you have related above, AF, a JW baptism is indeed bogus - an insult to the Creator - and just a totally adulterated sham. A snare and a racket, for sure.

Uncanny

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If modern day JW could stone apostates would they?

by nojw86 in

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via "new light" of course.

would they truly follow it as scriptual bashing of evil ones forsaking their god jehovah, all this old light changing into new light makes one go hmmm........regards nojw

Uncanny

Coincidentally, the National broadcaster here, ABC TV, last night put to air a live satellite interview with a muslim woman in London who was trying to draw support for her outrage at the impending stoning of a woman in Iran. (Her crime? She committed adultery.) As I am not of the Muslim faith, I personally don't feel I have the right to take sides on whether or not Islam should change its ways and leave behind their ancient punishments in our so called civilised and politically correct world. (After all, they've still got to take Salmon Rushdie out, don't they?)

But all jokes aside, like most of the other comments given here, as an ex JW, before watching this program last night, I would have been quick to agree that the average witness would be scrambling for the nearest rocks as soon as the Governing Body gave them the nod to terminate the life of wicked apostates. Now I'm not so sure.

In fact, I don't think so. I believe that when confronted with actually carrying out such blood curdling torture or directly involving him/herself in delivering someone's death, the average human today - particularly if they were a JW - wouldn't have the heart or the stomach to physically take part in such a violent execution.

I base this assumption on my (our) reaction last night to televiewing a real life stoning in part. For at one stage during this same TV interview, the on-screen vision of the two talkers was overlaid with some footage of an actual Islamic stoning. It showed two men, buried upright to the waist up with white capes covering their head and shoulders, waivering and screaming as they were pelted with rocks.

What a way to die. Even for a hated apostate. The Islamic woman in London also reported that if and when the adulteress is stoned, the stone-ees must be careful to find the right size rocks. ie. not too big so she dies too soon, and not too small so she doesn't feel enough pain before the fatal damage is done.

So come on. Do you think warm and fuzzy JWs - if only on the outside a lot of the time - would even be capable of witnessing such a hideous event? 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.' Indeed.

Uncanny