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I posted a question a few months ago about the dating of Christs birth. I have found a website on the subject and invite comments especially from xtians! :-)

UO

... http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/quirinius.html

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Convertion of a JW with an intelligent person

by biblexaminer in

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...waiting .

door opens and a young man steps into the light.. jw: good morning.. bob: good morning.. jw: we are calling on you're neighborhood today and asking people this question "ls religion serving the needs of the people, or are people being used to supply the needs of religion?".

bob: that is a good question, but before i attempt to answer that, can you tell me... are you leading up to where you offer me an opportunity to contribute to your church?.

uncle_onion

Here is James Pentons letter to the WTS. It seems that this is more than a question of attitude.

UO

An Open Letter From M. James Penton, PhD to Milton G. Henschel
AN OPEN LETTER

August 11, 1995
Milton G. Henschel, President
Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, New York
U.S.A. 11201

M. James Penton

Dear Mr. Henschel:
Yesterday I obtained a copy of the August 22 Awake! magazine with its articles on "The Holocaust: Who Spoke Out?". On reading the articles in that issue of Awake!, I was thoroughly shocked and disgusted.

The Watch Tower Society has long attempted a cover-up of the most dishonest sort. While your organization properly censures other religious communities for their compromises with and support of Nazism, it tries to claim that Jehovah's Witnesses, and Jehovah's Witnesses alone, never were guilty of such compromise. Yet history tells a different story. The "Erklärung" or "Declaration" published by the Watch Tower Society at the Berlin Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses in June 1933 is, in itself, clear evidence that the Society's president, Judge J. F. Rutherford, as accompanied by N. H. Knorr, manifested anti-Semitism, hostility to Great Britain and the United States, and to the League of Nations. Furthermore, the "Erklärung" clearly states that Jehovah's Witnesses supported the aims of the Third Reich.

In addition to the "Erklärung", there is the evidence of the Society's letter to Hitler sent on or immediately following June 25, 1933, and the public statements made about the Berlin convention by Konrad Franke in lectures throughout Germany some years ago. All of this I have made public in my book Apocalypse Delayed (1985)-which I know has been read at Watch Tower headquarters both from court documents and inside reports-and in the spring 1990 issue of The Christian Quest. So it is impossible for responsible members of your organization not to know the facts. Thus the August 22 Awake! is nothing short of an historical abomination.

I am aware of the feeble attempt of the 1974 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses to exculpate Judge Rutherford and the Watch Tower Society in Brooklyn by claiming that the Society's German branch overseer, Paul Balzereit, "weakened" the "Erklärung". But the "Erklärung" or "Declaration" was published in both the German and English versions of the 1934 Year Book of Jehovah's Witnesses as an official statement of the Watch Tower Society. So it is impossible to believe that it was not sanctioned by Rutherford and the man who succeeded him as the Society's president, N. H. Knorr. Therefore, the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses of that time attempted to commit what amounted to spiritual whoredom with the Third Reich in the fashion of the two sisters, Oholah and Oholibah of Ezekiel 23, according to the Society's own teachings.

Although I do not expect an answer from you, nor do I want one, to make certain that you, personally, are aware of the facts, I am sending you the following materials:

(1) A photocopy of the original "Erklärung"

(2) A photocopy of the "Erklärung" as it appeared in the German edition of the 1934 Year Book of Jehovah's Witnesses;

(3) A photocopy of the "Declaration" as it appears in the English edition of the 1934 Year Book of Jehovah's Witnesses;

(4) A photocopy of the Hitler letter, plus an English translation thereof;

(5) A copy of the Spring 1990 issue of The Christian Quest.

Since I am well aware that the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, of which you are a senior member, is carrying on what amounts to a "Big Lie" campaign (1) to make Jehovah's Witnesses appear to be God's faithful and discreet slave class on earth and (2) to discredit other religions, as a former Jehovah's Witness, a professional historian, and as a Christian who
believes that God has no need of our lies, I feel forced to expose the facts to the general public. Hence, I am sending copies of this letter, plus the above listed documentation, to both religious and secular publications throughout the United States and Canada. I will, of course, also make them available to persons in other lands so that they may be made known wherever possible.

In closing, Mr. Henschel, I would beg the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, who carry heavy responsibility before God and humankind, to come clean and admit the facts. Hypocrisy and falsifying the historical record are serious sins, as I am sure you are aware.

Sincerely yours,

M. James Penton, PhD
Professor Emeritus

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Special Meeting - New Work Announced

by ozziepost in

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it is reported that a special meeting has been held of all the district overseers in the usa and the new york city circuit overseers at which it was announced that the field ministry would now be changed until further notice, effective immediately.

for the time being no literature is to be offered or the suggested offer.

the publishers are to advise each householder that due to recent events we are not engaging in our regular work, we are offering comfort where needed from the bible to help cope with the tragedy.

uncle_onion

Does anyone know how many Jws are meant to have died in the disaster?

UO

Anglise?

by uncle_onion in

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a. please get in touch as i have lost your e mail addy.

uo

uncle_onion

A

Please get in touch as I have lost your e mail addy

UO

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To the fire fighters...............

by WildHorses in

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it was reported on the news that half of the ny fire force lost their lives today due to the tragedy at the wtc.

i will pray for their families.. to all the fire fighter in the us and the world over.

i thank you for your hard work.

uncle_onion

Fire fighters are all brothers no matter where in the world we serve. I have lost some brothers yesterday and the world has lost some of the bravest men and women.Lest we never forget.

UO

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Planes just a diversion... Ambulances had bombs.

by biblexaminer in

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i feel pretty sure about this, that the planes were just a diversion set to allow emergency vehicles easy access to the basement parking lot.

eye witnesses placed a large explosion just before the south building came down.

one thing is sure, the buildings did not come down as a result of the planes hitting them or any explosions due to that.

uncle_onion

As a Firefighter we have to learn about building structures for our job.

The trade centre is based on a steel structure. Steel has a very low heta tolerance. It is about 600C and then it loses the majority of it strength. The fires at the top caused the top to collapse and then the weight of it crashing down brought the rest down.

UO

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Can I share a great experience with you all?

by jonjonsimons in

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just wanted to pass along a recent experience that has helped open my eyes about many things.

i wasn't going to share this with the db but with all of the crap going on around here lately i thought it might be nice to post something that i found to be uplifting.

a few of you that i exchange emails with already know that my leukemia came out of remission recently.