Posts by Undecided

I have a friend who was never a JW, yet he went through almost the same control, indoctrination when he was a young person. It was some fundumental religion, I forget which one. He raised some questions when he was a little kid and they made him stop asking questions. When he visits some of his family he still fakes belief to quell their condemnation of him. He can't really say what he thinks about religion or they would shun him. Maybe not as bad as the JWs, but close in many ways.

We enjoy sitting in my backyard swing and discussing our feelings about God and religion and have about drawn the same conclusions. It's a great fairy tale and that's about it.

Ken P.

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Relieved or gutted, which are you?

by sleepy in

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is finding out that jehovahs witnesses are not the truth a relief for you as you no longer have to go to meetings etc or does it make you gutted as there is no everlasting life and no new system?.

i started of relieved , then gutted , and whent through cycles of both now i feel that it has to be relief.. though i will probably never get over the fact that for 26 years of my life everything i believed was wrong and i will allways have a small longing for that new world, but the relief that i can live my own life outweighs that.

Undecided

Hi Sleepy,

I try not to dwell on it too much, I just try to enjoy each day, but I know the day is comming when something will take all the enjoyment of life away and then I will die. What happens after that I won't know anything about, at least that is the way I feel now.

Ken P.

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Respect Your Elders!

by comforter in

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ex-jws in this place often berate the gerontological state of the governing body.

the speak abusively about the oold men in brooklyn.

why the antipathos against the men in brooklyn?

Undecided

Hey Neb,

I'm getting scared, they are smarter than me, I can't keep them out of my attic.

Ken P.

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Respect Your Elders!

by comforter in

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ex-jws in this place often berate the gerontological state of the governing body.

the speak abusively about the oold men in brooklyn.

why the antipathos against the men in brooklyn?

Undecided

Hi Neb,

The squirrels are all over my yard, so you think they are getting ready for my seventieth birthday in 3 1/2 years?

Ken P.

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Comments...re Malawi Bethel Complex

by proandcon in

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experience from malawi:.

we just received this wonderful experience and thought that you would.

enjoy.

Undecided

I can remember those feelings of excitement and brotherhood at conventions. It has nothing to do with God though, it is just a big social club as it is based on lies and untrue predictions from the beginning of the organization. That faithful and discrete club at New York is just a small group of ageing men who like complete control of the sheep. They have continually encouraged the followers over the years to not marry, have children, get an education, sacrifice your home for the ministry because the end is so close, while they continually build new complexes like Patterson. If they really believed their own crap, like armageddon would come before the 21st. century, or before those who were alive in 1914 and were old enough to understand the signs of the end died off, why would they keep building new branch buildings? They keep changing the "TRUTH" as it becomes clear that it isn't truth.

The complete group of the "anointed" isn't really the faithful and discrete slave as they claim, only the 2/3 vote of the GB counts for any decision made for all the masters belongings, other sheep as they view it, all the rest of the anointed's opinions are ignored.

So all the good feelings, and singing, is just like the "amens" and "praise the lords" uttered by the Great Harlot of Babylon the Great as they label other religions, that they can't control.

All religions are a "snare and a racket" as the judge once said.

Ken P.

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What's Your Pet Peeve?

by DB in

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of course, the wts is pretty much a pet peeve of almost everyone here.

but besides that, what's your pet peeve?

i'm in a playful mood today, so here's mine, with some tongue-in-cheekiness, of course: .

Undecided

Standing in a long line at a check out register when only two out of ten has anyone working at it.

Ken P.

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A question about "being chosen"

by ballistic in

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i was pondering as i came across the phrase "3rd generation witness", and wondered what are the chances of god choosing so many people from one family to be his "special people".

if you think about it, there are only 6 million witnesses and 6.3 billion people worldwide, and yet god sees the right heart condition in all of the smith family, in fact all 4 generations of the smith family from crawley, england.. there surely can only be one of several reasons for this; either it is an amazing coincidence (which i think we can rule out), or people are genetically pre-disposed to being acceptable to god, or your up-bringing and education can change the person's "heart".. i think most witnesses if you ask them, would accept that it is the indoctrination from a young age that is the reason for whole families being chosen by god, but there is a problem with this.. firstly, people do not choose where they are born, whether they are born into a witness family and are likely to get this extra special training or whether they are one of the billions who live in china and have never seen a bible, let alone heard of the jehovah's witnesses.

surely if god is a fair god and believes in justice, every person would receive the same chance of survival, and the pattern of chosen people would, in fact, turn out to be a peppering of people from across society with similar distribution in each country and not large clusters within the same families in predominantly christain countries.. i think the society understand this problem and it shows in the way they over-emphasise the number of countries they are present in, counting small island chains as "countries" with just one or two special pioneers in an effort to boost the appearance of "world wide" activity.. a second question popped into my head (as they do) with regard to this.

Undecided

Hi ballistic,

Have you read Matt 13:? It says he only spoke in parables so only those with the right HEART would understand.

What is your HEART??? Are you born with a good heart, does it develope as a result of your environment or is it just luck? Just where is this heart, in your mind or somewhere else. If you are mentally deranged can you still have a seperate good heart? Is your heart some spiritual entity within you? If God judges your heart, how do you change it to match his qualifications?

Too many questions and no answers, Oh! I forgot, the GB has all the answers from God's spirit, but it continually changes the answers over time so that if you look back a hundred years you don't recognize it as the same "TRUTH". Oh the truth doesn't matter anyway, you will be judged by your heart. The judicial committee can't read your heart so they must insist you follow the current truth. The poor JWs.

Ken P.

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Shaking Hands with Death - Part 3

by Amazing in

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shaking hands with death part 3: .

the angioplasty begins: the cardiologist arrived from the other hospital, and started telling everyone what he needed.

more medical staff showed up soon after, and the room was insane ... just like on tv ... short tempers demanding this or that device or assistance, people yelling out my vital readings, and i got a brief glance of the operating room door with people in green outfits, head caps, and face masks bopping in and out.

Undecided

Hi Jim,

It's great that you are doing so well. Your explaination of what life means was very close to my feelings right now. I don't even want to hear preachers spouting out bible verses and their views of what God requires for use to get life after death. If there is a God out there and he wants to give me life after this one I will appreciate it, but that's his call. I think we should be more concerned with this one and how we use it instead of continually looking forward to some imaginary one, whether in heaven with golden streets or a new earth with all bad people killed off. I probably don't have too much time before I will know/not know if I'm dead.
Good luck with your operation if you chose that route.

Ken P.

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To Farkel Re: Thomas Jefferson

by IslandWoman in

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hi farkel, .

on a recent thread you mentioned that thomas jefferson was your hero.

i too admire jefferson.. would you expound on why jefferson is your hero?

Undecided

Hi All,

My Grandmother was a decendent of the Jefferson family, one of Thomas' brothers. Her maiden name was Jefferson and there are several Jeffersons in the old family graveyard. They migrated from Charlottesville down through Chatam and Danville Va. To bad I didn't inherit his brain power.

Ken P.