the posts in the elders meeting thread got me thinking about this, so i've spun it off for into another thread.. were you ever 'counseled' because "some" in the congregation were disturbed by things you said/did/listened to/watched?.
here is just some of the stupid stuff that the elders brought me in on.
though they were usually handled through shepherding calls, not in the back room at the kh.. 1: because i decided to change my first and middle names.
Hmmm...interesting thread, Esmeralda!
Let me see. Had a shepherding call once and
I was accused of "Not being in subjection to my husband."
The reason? A "sister" heard me tell someone that I referred to
my car as being "my own."
Ooops. Shame on me! ô¿ô Hideous crime!!! (SPARE ME)
Undine
p.s.
BRAVA! for changing your name!!!
i have an 8yr old step-daughter caught up in the madness of the jws through unrelenting fear based brainwashing by her mother.
my husband and i would like to know if anyone has been in a similar situation and is able to help us let her know that there is another more loving way of living in this world.
its frightening to see the damage my husbands ex is doing to this inocent little girls mind.
~Esmeralda~
Thank you for your heartening words.
Hugs back, ~¿~
Undine
i have an 8yr old step-daughter caught up in the madness of the jws through unrelenting fear based brainwashing by her mother.
my husband and i would like to know if anyone has been in a similar situation and is able to help us let her know that there is another more loving way of living in this world.
its frightening to see the damage my husbands ex is doing to this inocent little girls mind.
~kdk~
I am so sorry that you are facing such a painful (understatement)
situation with your step daughter! My words of advice
are familiar to you, however I will say them again...keep on
showing your step daughter that you love her and are
unconditionally "there" for her. By continuing to do this she will
understand, both consciously and subconsciously, that there is love and goodness beyond jw's.
Esmeralda's experiences with her daughter struck well known
chords inside of myself...I do think it was such a positive thing to
hear your daughter tell you, "Mom, when you were married with Dad
you couldn't be yourself either, could you?"
Wow!!! What a sage remark coming from your daughter who is
so young!!! I just know that her statement must have really touched
you.
When my daughter was ten I decided to divorce her father.
That is when all hell broke loose and life as I knew it
with my precious daughter, ended. And though her father and I
have joint custody, he stands in defiance of the court's joint custody mandates (fine elder that he is) and my "portion" of "joint custody" is denied. His twisted reasonings hold great sway in our daughter's life.
But, the true sadness centers around the transformation of
my daughter...I watched as he and his family and jw friends took over her thought processes and she slowly became convinced that I am
"a really bad worldy person who does not love Jehovah." (My sin? I divorced her father and had no "scriptural grounds.")
Of course, this is the nutshell version...my daughter is now fifteen years old...and she still, and adamantly, refuses to be with me. She grills me (via Instant Messages) about why it is that I don't go to meetings? And etcetera...ad nauseum...
My heart is broken. I harbor intense anger toward the "organization."
But I live with these things and through it all I never let up in letting my daughter know, if only in written form, how very very very much I love her and will always be here for her.
To kdk and Esmeralda...Thank you for opening up about what you
face with your children...I feel for you.
Undine
following the link given by kent,.
i have several observation to make:.
(from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).
Thank you for these informative posts!!!!!!!
AMAZING...SIMPLY AMAZING. I am jaw-dropped and
revolted to learn what is going on behind the
MASK.
Many thanks for this eye-opening news. I just cannot
stop thinking about it and how putrid all of the lies have
been and are...UNREAL.
Undine
i have been thinking a lot lately about death.
this is not surprising considering the turn of events on the 11th.. i have been re-awakened to the transient nature of human life and how it can go in the blink of an eye.
as the bible says life is vanity and a striving for the wind.. with all of the talk about world war 3 and how dangerous this world has become, i have been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster this past week.. the fear of dying is a normal and basic emotion.
...so much for HTML <p> ô¿ô
i have been thinking a lot lately about death.
this is not surprising considering the turn of events on the 11th.. i have been re-awakened to the transient nature of human life and how it can go in the blink of an eye.
as the bible says life is vanity and a striving for the wind.. with all of the talk about world war 3 and how dangerous this world has become, i have been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster this past week.. the fear of dying is a normal and basic emotion.
NikL,
Very intriguing topic you raise. Hmmm...I was one of them from the age of thirteen up until the age of thirty eight. (Been "away" for four years now.) Here is what I think is interesting. All of those years I was never afraid of actual death...but what I have been afraid of is being tortured before I die...I remember a particular Tuesday night bookstudy evening...The conductor was speaking about "the end" and how we must "remain faithful" even in the midst of heinous persecution...He spoke about torture tactics, and I specifically remember him raising this question, in his waxy southern drawl: "Brothers...we must ask ourselves this very important question...will WE remain faithful if our persecutor decides to remove our fingernails...slowly???" <p> In almost twenty years I have not been able to let go of the fear of being persecuted in some beyond dastardly way. <p> So from the perspective of a long time former jw I can honestly say that I have never been in fear of "death"...of laying in a dreamlike state in my grave...but I HAVE worried about the persecution that was deeply seared into me as being a most definite eventuality.<p> And here is a new realization that just hit me...since I have never told this outloud to anyone, I have a slightly sinking feeling that now, since I have brought my "fear" out into the air, that the demons will make sure I realize what it is that I fear!!! <p> Yup...'tis true...I have work to do, but I have come a hellova long way...good question you raised there...made me think...
Undine
you begin to respect other peoples opinions more...even that fred guy..... .
you begin to appreciate the world more ... and the variety of it all.
you feel special.
Preston,
How interesting to read the "progression" of life as it is happening when you are "one of them."
So TRUE!!!!!!! And you so creatively put it all together...eye opening and in a "fun" way! Neato.
Thank you!
Undine
my father was rushed by ambulance from his rest home to st. marks hospital in salt lake city, utah friday, but i only just heard about it.
i received a call from the floor nurse and she told me he is not expected to live.
his lungs are filled fill up with fluid and are continuing to fill u with more fluid: he has pneumonia.
Farkel,
I am sincerely sorry for your loss...
Undine
Also, I greatly appreciated you taking the time to respond to my post.
You are extremely kind and thoughtful. Thank you for this.
salutations,.
i have been an inactive person for five years.
i am revolted by "the good old boy's club, counting time, endless meeting attendance and being introduced as "one of our fine elder's wives" etcetera...i've read and been liberated by the crisis of conscience book and realize the smarminess that is characteristic of the "organization.
Just a note to THANK all of you who have responded to my post!
Constructive insights...much appreciated,
Undine
~stevieb1, that is eye-opening real life jw history...
Thank You for relaying this~
salutations,.
i have been an inactive person for five years.
i am revolted by "the good old boy's club, counting time, endless meeting attendance and being introduced as "one of our fine elder's wives" etcetera...i've read and been liberated by the crisis of conscience book and realize the smarminess that is characteristic of the "organization.
Salutations,
I have been an inactive person for five years. I am revolted by "the good old boy's club, counting time, endless meeting attendance and being introduced as "one of our fine elder's wives" etcetera...I've read and been liberated by the Crisis of Conscience book and realize the smarminess that is characteristic of the "organization."
Yet...since the horrid events of September 11th I find myself wondering about the "final prophecy/sign of the governmental declaration of "peace and security/turning on religion and then ultimately turning against jw's which at this cataclysmic juncture would be as though Jehovah's eyeball is being touched"... (long sentence award?)
I have no intention of returning to this "organization"! Maybe I am being smug but I think that I would rather die than "live forever" with these judgemental people...but still...my mind won't stop thinking about this subject I'm raising...also, I wonder what other "people" are preaching about God's Kingdom as being a real government to solve mankind's very real problems...and who else "teaches" us about why it is that we "grow old and die?"
Am I alone in my being perplexed about this issue revolving around this ultimate "final sign and supposed prophecy?"
Thank you for allowing me to vent,
Undine
