i just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
I used to be JW, then even though out, I still believed. Slowly became agnostic, now 100% atheist.
It feels so right, after a life of trying to force myself to believe what I could not.
I'm reading atheist literature for the first time, Hitchens, Dawkins et al, it's blown me away. How simple, and easy it is to read, after an early life of trying to follow all the tortured reasonings of "the truth"
here's a good one for you, looking at gen 17 and paul's subversive interpretive practices.
http://contradictionsinthebible.com/is-the-covenant-of-circumcision-an-eternal-covenant-or-not/.
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Girls like it? In my generation (40) all guys were circumcised, so as a girl it's all I saw.
My son (15) is not circumcised, neither are any of his friends, so presumably the girls of his generation will be used to uncircumcised penis's (Peni?) I don't know what's plural???
By the time you see a guys penis, you generally like a lot of things about him, circumcised or not wouldn't make a difference (unless you were a complete idiot).
Nambo, thanks for explaining difference in sensation, I learned something new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0ommnrjemq.
maybe a good dose of ayahuasca might give the gb some answers for what to do in thier: end hasn't come yet dilemma?.
perhaps it would be too scarry for them, the pressure too great to maintain the delusion they are in, in other words they would have a very bad trip fighting all those demonz they got banging around in thier psychie..
Would a witness have a really bad time on this? I am worried about what's in my head that I don't consciously know about.
I had LSD and that was OK, a long time ago, sorry, i know this is a bit off topic.
I would love to hear what the GB came up with after ayahuasca, probably a lotta new light!!
I was 14 or 15 when I got baptized.
I clearly remember deciding to tell my parent I wanted to get baptized as a way of getting her out of a really bad mood. I also remember wearing a dress that I hated because it was too girly, but I had to wear it because I was told to.
Too young to pick your own clothes? Yes, but....sure you can make a lifelong commitment to Jehovah, and if you change your mind ill shun you forever.....
They pride themselves on no infant baptism, but child baptism is the same thing.
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good day...so this is the conversation i had with a co-worker of mine i mentioned in an earlier thread...shes a jw and doesnt know that i was associated with the jws before and that im a fader.
Hey Kool Jo, it sounds like she is getting some field service time in at work.
or so says the person who left this comment on jwsurvey.org.... what just amazes me is how people can pass judgement on others, make vast sweeping statements and make out that they know best.
this isnt just based on this page, but other pages ive read on this website.
while youre at it why not just say all black people are criminals, all asians are rapists and all white people molest their children.
Further from what edge one has said, for those of us born in our subliminal training begins from birth.
Questioning, means reading supplied questions, discussion, means reading out supplied questions and answers. Demonstrations from the platform tread a well trod path, after years you can predict the speech & word patterns. It's familiar. You sit in meetings slightly stupefied, tired, listening to the same things year in, year out. But it is your parents who are doing it, and there is no sugar coating cause you are young, we were all told to expect Armageddon at any time.
You can recognize The JW writing style, and now it seems crazy that you could ever have believed it, but if its all you ever heard it's all you know.
I believe this is the true genius of JWs, how the could get us so isolated from the world. When I came out, I was so ignorant.
I'm surprised at how many people who are still "in" as JWs are here, I'm glad this forum exists for you. Whether your out, in or whatever, we all have a lot in common.
used to be werewolves and vampires.
thinkin' "twilight" did that in - just saw a commercial for a cartoon where the star is a teenage vampire.
even the zombies are becoming friendly (seen a trailer about a zombie who falls in love and so reverts to "living" again).
Like Tec said, slenderman is really scary, you can play some game on line it's really creepy.
All the "paranormal activity" movies are really scary, particularly the first 2!
"The Ring" Japanese & American versions are scary classics.
anyone have any specific examples regarding recent instructions on having a backpack/bag ready for a sudden armageddon?
maybe a recent km article or boe letter?
i'd love a pdf.
A couple of years ago I visited my mother who is a witness. I am DF but see her every few years or so, I think she justifies it to herself because she gets to see my kids.
Anyway, there were floods in our part of the world, and she was glued to the tv. She would never talk about witness stuff around me, but this time she couldn't contain her excitement.....she showed me a list the elders had given her. A list in preparation for Armageddon. I wish I'd been able to get a copy, it was well meaning and hilarious at the same time. From memory it had things like the following:
- keep bottled water, batteries, a nominated meeting point, mobile phone charged (!)
it was a whole A4 page of instructions. Sorry I don't have a copy but I can tell you these lists exist.
My mother was so excited about it. Shes old, and lived through 1975, so shes been waiting a long time for this. It was surreal, because I think she thought I should be impressed by it, i remember her saying something about how loving the brothers in the congregation were to provide this plan.
I read it and said something positive like, great (encouraging and supportive me!!!)
And it didn't concern her at all that my 2 children and myself wouldn't survive this event, or that they were listening to every word!
I sometimes think if a non JW heard an exchange like that, they could never begin to understand it.
writing and speaking is all about communication.. if we are casually engaged the level of precision vanishes.
simple ideas=simplified language.. but, as we attempt to convey accuracy, specificity and numerical precision--what then?
without a clear standard is proper communication headed for extinction?.
A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots into the air.
"Why?" Asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes towards the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.
"I'm a panda," he says, at the door. "Look it up."
The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.
"Panda. Large black and white bear like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."
So, punctuation really does matter, even if it is only occasionally a matter of life and death.
An oldie but a goodie, from the back of a zero tolerance approach to punctuation, "Eats, Shoots and Leaves" by Lynne Truss.
hi guys & girls.. though you can sit back down in your seats now, sorry but not a jw, never have been & never will be, am a totally happy with athiest life, lol.. started lurking here about a year ago, started dating a jw woman didn't i, i here the face palms, lol.
lucky for me i found this site while trying to find out more about the jw's very early on & knew exactly how this was prob going to end.
but i thought what the hell lets see where it goes.
Welcome AMO, from an xJW, also now a happy atheist!
