Posts by alecholmesthedetective

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New light Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release

by cedars in

http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.

if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.

it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.

alecholmesthedetective

Thanks a lot, Cedars!!!

It seems like the GB has not even bothered to explain what role if any the rest of the anointed have in the organization now that they have been demoted by them. Just sit tight and wait and if you behave and obey us then you'll also be appointed over the belongings (but WE are the FDS, not you).

It seems like taking Russell out of the big picture matches the change in the language coming from the WT now regarding their founder. I remember reading in chapters 1 and 2 of the Proclaimers book that Abel was the first JW, and Jesus was a JW too. But now an FAQ on JW.org says Jesus is the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses.

http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/founder/

Also Cedars, it seems that until 1931 there was an editorial committee who was able to exercise some control over what was published in the magazines. Still, as president of the Society, is it correct to say that the ultimate authority on doctrinal matters rested solely with Rutherford? If so, that would make him the FDS.

In the Olin Moyle trial court transcript, page 865, we can read Fred Franz's very own words that in 1931 the committee was disbanded because it was not allowing what were felt to be 'timely and vital truths originating from him to be disseminated to the Lord’s people'. From that point forward, there was nothing even remotely resembling a governing body as we know it today. Doctrine published in the Watchtower came from or was filtered and approved by Rutherford.

http://ia700301.us.archive.org/14/items/OlinR.MoyleTrial/1943_Olin_Moyle_Trial.pdf

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Appeal dismissed for failure to file opening brief. 03/26/2013 ,,,,,LOL,,,,

by maisha in

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appeal dismissed for failure to file opening brief.

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/briefing.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

congratulations candice!!!!.

alecholmesthedetective

I see Cedars, appreciate it.

Alec

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Appeal dismissed for failure to file opening brief. 03/26/2013 ,,,,,LOL,,,,

by maisha in

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appeal dismissed for failure to file opening brief.

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/briefing.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

congratulations candice!!!!.

alecholmesthedetective

It's past 10pm and the page is the same: nothing apparently filed yet...

Alec

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Why a day behind Passover? Weren't the apostles celebrating Passover?

by wha happened? in

i don't get the day differeance.

what's the obscure referance the wt uses to set the memorial a day late?.

alecholmesthedetective

Thanks a lot BluesBrother, for the Watchtower quote, I was confused as well. Oh Lord, the whole world counted 14 Nisan to be on Monday 25 March but the GB knew better! They know better than the Jews themselves!

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576259/obama-holds-passover-seder-at-the-white-house/ http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/03/25/president-obamas-passover-message https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/316306825370812418 http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/03/25/statement-president-passover

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?country=34&mo http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2013&month=x&yt=G&v=1&nh=on&nx=on&mf=on&ss=on&lg=s&vis=on&d=on&c=off&zip=&m=72&.cgifields=nx&.cgifields=nh&.cgifields=mf&.cgifields=ss&.s=Preview+Calendar#cal-2013-03 http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/week.asp?tdate=3/25/2013 http://calendar.zoznam.sk/jewish_calendar-en.php#March http://www.aish.com/dijh/Nisan_14.html http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=passover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover#Date_and_duration

Alec

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Emailed Elder Telling Him The Memorial Date Is Wrong

by alecholmesthedetective in

right, so that was hours ago, so i'm waiting for the replyi'll keep you posted.. the elders have been trying to invite me for the memorial, and the email in question basically said.... .

i d like to remind you about the memorial.

it will be held tomorrow, tuesday the 26th at 8:45 pm in our kingdom hall.hope to see you with us remembering the most important day of this year.i replied...hi brother elder,.

alecholmesthedetective

Well, not a pip from the elder or anyone else after my email. Good. Well, you may well be right and they may be typing the JC summon letter now. Bring it on, I say. Perhaps I'll record the whole thing and add it to the numerous others already online, haha.

The elder will believe the WBT$.

Exactly punkofnice, I must have surprised him, nonetheless, given his silence.

I asked my jw about it once long ago but he had no clue about the date/passover etc... no need to research, the boys in NY already did all the heavy lifting.........

Yes carla, I know a lot of brothers, including elders, who had no clue what they were talking about and if you knew your Watchtower, meaning if you read a lot and remembered a lot of the BS the WT writes you could throw them off balance for their lack of research or unpreparedness...now, is that what Jesus meant with, "I want mercy, not sacrifice." (I don't believe in Jesus as a perfect superhuman son of God anymore, by the way)

The primary thing they have got wrong is the matter of who should partake, of course it should be all who follow Christ,

I agree Phizzy, if I were to follow the bible, a Christian religion, if I still believed it or were even still in as a JW (I'm a fader) I would partake, that is what Jesus clearly said his followers should do.

I figured after sundown Nissan 14 began. I checked Jerusalem's time zone and knew that I was still good.

Yes DATA-DOG! That's my point! LOL

I really do not believe the exact timing is a salvation issue, or physically partaking. I mean, you should if you can, but what if you were in prison with no access to the emblems? I think you heart condition matters the most. Then partaking is an outward symbol of your faith, like baptism.

Also, I do not believe it is a once a year thing. There is no proof that Christians only celebrated once a year, although the WTBT$ makes that assertion.

I agree DATA-DOG, even in my last years in I believed Jehovah and Jesus were much more merciful than the WT would have us believe, especially since I felt I was blessed when my standing in the congregation was in jeopardy because I didn't take BS from the elders. I believed Jehovah blessed me for doing what was right, not for pleasing men. So yes, if I were trying to please God, I believed he would understand my circumstances as you exemplify if I were in a prison cell and couldn't get emblems or something close to them. And I'm not sure I could 'prove' from the bible why it should be an annual observance. Mind you, in my last months in I couldn't prove a lot of WT doctrines from the bible!

Alec

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Did the Watchtower lose their appeal?

by sleepercell in

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/briefing.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

appeal dismissed for failure to file opening brief.

03/26/2013 defendant and appellant: the watchtower bible and tract society of new york inc.. attorney: robert jerry schnack.

alecholmesthedetective

LOL yes wha happened?, do we any umarried members of the GB?

Alec

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First mention of "new light" may appear in July 15, 2013 Watchtower

by cedars in

a trusted source informs me that the "new light" about the faithful slave is to make its first printed appearance in the july 15th watchtower, which should be available for download online three weeks from now, on around april 15th.. i'm led to believe that the references to the new understanding are made in such a manner as to suggest the "new light" isn't that new at all, which suggests to me that little or no effort is being made to explain the doctrinal connotations.

my source and i are hoping to get a key paragraph posted at the earliest opportunity.

watch this space!.

alecholmesthedetective

Waaaaahhh Nooooo! Run

OK. I eagerly await your post.

Noooooooo! So do I!

(Waiting with bated breath LOL)

Alec

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Hi! I'm New Here

by alecholmesthedetective in

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hi there, as was suggested to me, i'm starting this thread to say hi to everyone.. my awakening began recently, after the new light on the 'slave'.

i felt it didn't add up and went to check and found out ttatt.

for a while i tried to find evidence of whether the wt might still be god's organization, i needn't say i couldn't.. i had already resigned as a ministerial servant and a pioneer, had already had several issues with the elders and did not put up with their nonsense for a long.

alecholmesthedetective

Thanks fakesmile! And thanks GoneAwol! And thanks cobaltcupcake!

In fact, thinking back, our whole life in the jw machine is just a fog. Certain things are highlights or when things went wrong, but on a spiritual level, it was a wilderness full of nothing...and it was only 5 or 6 years ago when we left. Strange, but it feels as if my life is only just starting.

That is so true GoneAwol, a wilderness of nothingness. I like that phrase, I'll use it, if you don't mind. (I promise to send you the royalties, LOL). And with me too some things are highlights of when things went wrong and my life feels like it has just started too.

Alec

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Emailed Elder Telling Him The Memorial Date Is Wrong

by alecholmesthedetective in

right, so that was hours ago, so i'm waiting for the replyi'll keep you posted.. the elders have been trying to invite me for the memorial, and the email in question basically said.... .

i d like to remind you about the memorial.

it will be held tomorrow, tuesday the 26th at 8:45 pm in our kingdom hall.hope to see you with us remembering the most important day of this year.i replied...hi brother elder,.

alecholmesthedetective

Right, so that was hours ago, so I'm waiting for the reply —I'll keep you posted.

The elders have been trying to invite me for the memorial, and the email in question basically said...

How have you been?

I´d like to remind you about the Memorial. It will be held tomorrow, Tuesday the 26th at 8:45 PM in our Kingdom Hall. Hope to see you with us remembering the most important day of this year.

I replied... Hi Brother Elder, 14 Nisan is on Monday 25 March beginning after sunset and ending on the sunset of 26 March. This is the Examining the Scriptures Daily page for today. And this is the correct Hebrew calendar: These are the references http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?country=34&mo http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/?year=2013&month=x&yt=G&v=1&nh=on&nx=on&mf=on&ss=on&lg=s&vis=on&d=on&c=off&zip=&m=72&.cgifields=nx&.cgifields=nh&.cgifields=mf&.cgifields=ss&.s=Preview+Calendar#cal-2013-03 http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/week.asp?tdate=3/25/2013 http://calendar.zoznam.sk/jewish_calendar-en.php#March http://www.aish.com/dijh/Nisan_14.html http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=passover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover#Date_and_duration President Obama held a passover celebration on the White House last night, 25 March. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57576259/obama-holds-passover-seder-at-the-white-house/ http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/03/25/president-obamas-passover-message https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/316306825370812418 http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/03/25/statement-president-passover

Thanks, Alec Now, I have to say it was news to me that the Jews actually celebrate the Passover on 15 Nisan. What was surprising was that the WT is saying that today 26 March after sunset will be 14 Nisan. Are they trying to celebrate Passover in the same night as the Jews whilst trying to appear that they are celebrating it on 14 Nisan —the night they say Jesus instituted the Lord's Evening Meal, was betrayed, tried, and executed at 3pm of the next day but still on 14 Nisan? Well, I'll keep you guys posted. Alec

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Luke and the other gospels before

by EdenOne in

this week's bible reading started me thinking ... luke 1:1-4.

"whereas many have undertaken to compile a statement of the facts that are given full credence among us, just as those who from [the] beginning became eyewitnesses and attendants of the message delivered these to us, i resolved also, because i have traced all things from the start with accuracy, to write them in logical order to you, most excellent theophilus, that you may know fully the certainty of the things that you have been taught orally.".

now, the gospel of luke appears to have been written before acts, sometime between 56-58 ce.. in the above introduction, luke mentions that "many" (not just one or two) "have undertaken to compile a statement" ( "to compile a narrative" - english standard version; therefore, more than just the description of isolated events or isolated "wisdom sayings".

alecholmesthedetective

Thanks Bobcat!

Alec