No they didnt. I can come up with counter arguments against this.
OK. Shoot.
soontobe
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Jesus and the Mosaic Law...
by mP inive had many chats with tec and shes always fun but i must disagree with her angle on jesus and the mosaic law.
she always claims that jesus repealed the law.
ive asked for many times and she has yet to give the exact quote.. perhaps the most damning scripture for tec and friends is mat 5:18 where jesus unequivacably says the laws is perfect and will last forever.
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TEC Documentary hypothesis
by mP incontinuing on our mini discussing at.
http://jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/246435/8/greatest-show-on-earth#4664173.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/documentary_hypothesis.
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soontobe
No, I did not. That the words were written by people with limits does not, in and of itself, make the Jesus story a fabrication.
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Jesus and the Mosaic Law...
by mP inive had many chats with tec and shes always fun but i must disagree with her angle on jesus and the mosaic law.
she always claims that jesus repealed the law.
ive asked for many times and she has yet to give the exact quote.. perhaps the most damning scripture for tec and friends is mat 5:18 where jesus unequivacably says the laws is perfect and will last forever.
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soontobe
Your background commentary is all trueand very interesting, but that doesnt conflict with my original assertion. Jesus only preached to the Jews and he never cancelled or replaced the Torah.
So, even if that is true, what is your point? His early followers clearly did.
What proof do you have they were gentle xians ? How can you call them gentle when a large portion of them wont even eat with gentiles simply because of their race ?
It is in the text. And as Deputy Dog kindly pointed out, it included Jews as well.
By the way, it is GENTILE, not GENTLE. Don't lose the plot.
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TEC Documentary hypothesis
by mP incontinuing on our mini discussing at.
http://jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/246435/8/greatest-show-on-earth#4664173.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/documentary_hypothesis.
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soontobe
So does god change HIS standards depending on the era?
I think our own ideas and perceptions change with time.
And with them, our own conception of God itself.
How we view ourselves, how we view the divine, and how we view ourselves in relationship to the divine is the stuff that shapes history.
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TEC Documentary hypothesis
by mP incontinuing on our mini discussing at.
http://jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/246435/8/greatest-show-on-earth#4664173.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/documentary_hypothesis.
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soontobe
BY modern standards Jesus was a moral cretin.
"Modern" is relative. It implies a recency to our own current instant in the span of time. The same may well be said about your own moral standards, in the light of some future "modernity." You engage in a great deal of anachronism Cofty.
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TEC Documentary hypothesis
by mP incontinuing on our mini discussing at.
http://jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/246435/8/greatest-show-on-earth#4664173.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/documentary_hypothesis.
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Chavez is officialy DEAD!!
by wolfman85 inhttp://news.yahoo.com/hugo-chavez-fiery-venezuelan-leader-dies-58-220210262.html.
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soontobe
D, I have family there too. My wife's family. We called today and they were sobbing. Cult of personality.
There could be a lot of trouble. But there is a lot of trouble there anyway, on a daily basis.
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Jesus and the Mosaic Law...
by mP inive had many chats with tec and shes always fun but i must disagree with her angle on jesus and the mosaic law.
she always claims that jesus repealed the law.
ive asked for many times and she has yet to give the exact quote.. perhaps the most damning scripture for tec and friends is mat 5:18 where jesus unequivacably says the laws is perfect and will last forever.
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soontobe
There are 613 different commands in the law, but half of them have to do with the temple and the priesthood. So really, excluding temple worship and priestly laws, there are about 300 laws.
Furthermore, the law, in the legal sense, was for Jews only, and not for everyone (although the law did encapsulate some moral codes that are considered universal). Even today Jews will tell you the law is for them, not for others.
The fact is, most of the earliest Christians were Jews, and they continued to keep the law. Eventually, they were outnumbered by gentile Christians. Even very early on, however, we see issues regarding whether or not the gentile members had to keep the law. Jews would often not even enter the house of a gentile, because they were considered unclean. These attitudes caused a big problem in the early church. Even Peter. This issue ended up being taken up in a council of apostles in Jerusalem, which is recorded in Acts 15.
The Christian Jewish community remained in Jerusalem, and continued to practice the law (James is an example) until its final destruction in the 2nd Century. James enjoyed a high reputation among Jews, including Christian Jews. He was scrupulous in keeping the law. There are sources that say he worshipped in the temple every day. Others even say his knees were calloused like a camel's from so much kneeling in prayer. He enjoyed great respect among religious Jews. He was made the spokesman for the Jerusalem council's decision because of the weight that would attach to his words.
Some here have cited the letter to the Romans. Romans was written to the gentile Christians. The emperor Claudius had exiled the Jews from Rome (including Peter), and all that were left among the Christians were gentiles. After they were allowed to return years later, there were issues between the two groups, especially for the newer Christians who had been baptized during that time. Romans was written in part to address that situation, to help the gentile Christians accept their Jewish bretheren.
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The 265th Pope slithers off into retirement
by designs inhe now lives out of reach of the secular world's laws.
the pope emeritus spent part of his youth with the nazi leagues of his homeland.
he receives a 'retirment check' of about $3000.00 per month, which is the high end range of our social security system if you were a top earner and waited until 70 to collect.
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soontobe
Sulla, expecting an unbigoted and objective appraisal of the Catholic Church here is like going to a Nuremburg party rally to learn about the Jewish contributions to Western Civilization.
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The 265th Pope slithers off into retirement
by designs inhe now lives out of reach of the secular world's laws.
the pope emeritus spent part of his youth with the nazi leagues of his homeland.
he receives a 'retirment check' of about $3000.00 per month, which is the high end range of our social security system if you were a top earner and waited until 70 to collect.
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soontobe
Americans account for a significant portion of the global Catholic philanthropic giving. The 19,000 individual Catholic parishes in the U.S. contribute $6 billion annually in local church support and international Catholic humanitarian aid. When secular charities are included, American Catholics contribute over $22 billion annually. Generations of Catholic philanthropic support have enabled the establishment of 556 hospitals, 236 colleges and universities, 1,350 high school, 6,500 grade schools and 3,000 social service agencies, collectively a $100 billion per year economy.