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  Todays Text - Classic example of how to twist scripture to your own ends

  by doubtfull1799 in

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  you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “abba, father!”—rom.

  those who have received this special invitation from god do not need another witness from any other source.

  they do not need someone else to verify what has happened to them.

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  venus

  That's an obvious twisting typical of religious leaders who seldom knows how others would think about their reasoning.
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  The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

  someone made a second part to this story.

  fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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  David_Jay,

  Your last paragraph is ground-breaking--very true. That means Jesus would also know this fact, hence Mathew 20:28 could never have been uttered by Jesus; and iterestingly in the next chapter he says he did not come to die for anyone (Mathew 21:33-39)
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  The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

  someone made a second part to this story.

  fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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  Half banana,

  You are right. Things were borrowed and thoughtlessly incorporated so that analytical minds get stumble on each points. No wonder, the word for world in some languages (such as Arabic, Persian, Dari, Pashto, Urdu ......) is duniya which means no law or logic.
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  The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

  someone made a second part to this story.

  fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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  smiddy,

  to add one more thing:

  If people were really resurrected, all those who were resurrected ones such as daughter of Jaiurs, and Lazarus would have been here on earth in eternal youthfulness which would have proved beyond any doubt that Christianity is true, and the whole world would have automatically been converted into Christianity by seeing eternally living young people like Lazarus.
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  The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

  someone made a second part to this story.

  fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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  smidy, that's an interesting point I never thought of.

  That means none of them were actually resurrected--must be fabricated story. If they were really resurrected by Jesus who had "authority on earth to forgive sins" (Mark 2:10), they had never had to die again for sure.
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  The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

  someone made a second part to this story.

  fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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  Sin did not only decrease, but only increased to the level apostle Paul lamented of a sin being practiced within the congregation which he described “of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate.” (1 Corinthians 5:1, 2) And situation is not different even after 21 centuries.
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  The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

  someone made a second part to this story.

  fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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  venus

  In the famous Aesop Fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “I am sure they are sour.”

  Someone made a second part to this story. Fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity. To his surprise, he found that “yes grapes are really sour.”

  Similarly, many have termed John 3:16 as the essence of the Bible which says God sent his only-begotten son to die for our sin as “the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29). So he came, and died for our sin. This is the first part of the episode.

  Second part can be discerned from looking at the world condition after Jesus’ sacrificial death. Sin still rules the lives of many people as it was before the sacrifice. Since sin’s effect started immediately after the original sin was committed, it is inevitable that effect of ransom sacrifice (antidote to sin) should have started immediately after ransom sacrifice is performed.

  If this teaching was true, sin would have disappeared from earth!
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  Philosophical implications of Genetic 1:26 and the personality of the Judeo-Christian God.

  by doubtfull1799 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while visiting a still in friend last week we had an interesting discussion on narcissism.

  he made a very interesting comment that got me thinking about the above.

  we were discussing the nature of celebrity and fame and he mentioned that he would find it very difficult to cope with constant adulation and praise.

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  jsuthuman14,

  You nicely summarized what I was trying to say. Interesting information you brought out.

  When impartially viewed, Bible writers were thoughtless in painting a god of this sort--an egoistic god. Interestingly, ego is opposite of spirituality, according to Bible itself (Galatians 5:25, 26), hence is at the root of all problem, and is unholy. Wherever it is found ego is impurity--hence can never be found in God. Hence painting a God with egoistic disposition is height of perverted thinking on human writers who wrote the Bible.

  It is true that there are some good verses in the Bible, found sporadic. They might have come by chance just like some flowers are also found in forest which is filled with wild and dangerous animals and poisonous snakes.
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  Earliest Latin Commentary on the Gospels

  by Earnest in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the earliest latin commentary on the gospels, lost for over 1500 years, has been rediscovered and made available in english for the first time.

  the work, which was written by a bishop in north italy, fortunatianus of aquileia, dates back to the middle of the fourth century.

  despite references to it in other ancient works, no copy was known to survive until a researcher from the university of salzburg identified the commentary in an anonymous manuscript copied around the year 800 and held in cologne cathedral library.. it is reported on here and an english translation and information about the commentary and the bishop can be accessed here.. this commentary tended to allegorise scripture in order to explain it.

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  venus

  Very wonderful, and very useful information

  Thanks for that, Earnest
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  Your View Of Death How Much Does It Effect The Way You Look At The World Around You?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  lets face it the watchtower's indoctrinations effect the way we look at the world we see governments as tool of the devil.

  we look at our relatives different, we will not speak to our own children if disfellowshipped.. a better world is what christians promise believers, or hell for those condemned by the deity.

  kiss the ass of the deity and go to a better world, and don't forget to put something in the collection plate on sunday.. to face death with out the crutch of a future better world for beleivers, is better, as you can cherish the life you are living and be more in the present while facing what ever life throws at you.

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  Very interesting question, BW.
  

  Let me make a try:

  We know attitudes are formed from belief; hence belief about what happens after death would certain shape one’s attitude. Hence death may be part of a design (not the result of sin). In limited view, speed breakers on the road are inconvenience or annoyance, but in big picture, they are good because speed breaker near to places like school prevents accidents that can happen to little ones who may come on to the road carelessly.

  Similarly, in limited view death may appear as a curse, but in big picture, death would appear as good. ‘What if there is no death, if one goes on growing more and more vibrant physically, perfecting his skills and talents, and even growing in money power, influence ….etc.? He would probably behave like King David described in the Bible. He was a very humble shepherd boy to start with, then climbed heights, finally became king of Israel, and he seemed almost invincible… then he began to add more wives and numerous women to his harem, he went to the extent of treacherously killing his faithful friend to steal his wife. If people grew extraordinarily great in certain aspects/skills, many of them become callous and arrogant, and it makes life a hell—for them and for others.

  But when the body is in reverse growth towards complete collapse [death], people in general begin to lose the basis for keeping their desires and self-importance. Thus death serves a purpose!