DD,
Great question: "If you reap what you sow, will Religion ironically bring about its own demise?"
Posts by venus
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18My thoughts on Church shootings..
by DATA-DOG indisclaimer: i do not approve or condone any acts of violence that result in the deaths of innocent persons.. alright.. let me just say that i have no idea what motivated the latest mass shooting, nor do i condone those actions.
i am, however, beginning to understand why some individuals may feel that violence is their only choice, although i do not approve of that choice.. when i read topics on this forum that concern religion and legalism, topics that drone on and on, getting nowhere, i feel extremely frustrated.
yes, religions are given certain freedoms, but many are obviously going beyond the spirit that motivated the separation of church and state.
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How do jw's answer this? John 6:54 & blood issue
by carla ini happen to be cruising around the net and stumbled upon this question on a different forum.
how do jw's answer jesus words in john 6:54 today?.
"whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and i will raise them up at the last day.
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carla
Great post.
What is symbolic must also be true literally. You one can drink wine as though blood of somebody, it makes no difference if you literally drink blood of somebody. Jesus makes no difference between doings--literal or symbolic: "I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to desire her has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Mathew 5:29)
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Chain of “truths”
by venus in1) god gives more wisdom to solomon to become the wisest ever lived on earth.. 2) using this “higher”wisdom, he solved a problem involving two women who claimed ownership of a child looking at the facial expression of the dishonest woman.
* his ruling revealed that ‘a loving mother would not permit her child to be killed’ (1 king 3:27).
this ruling reportedly rooted at the “higher wisdom” given to solomon by god actually backfires on god whose core quality is love and yet he sent his son to be murdered for the betterment of mankind—a thing which no parents can teach their children because it would shock them.. 3) if jesus really came to be murdered and thus “to take away the sin of the world” (john 1:29), he would have used his superhuman skills to explain this incomprehensible teaching (killing the innocent removes the sins of the sinners).
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Drearyweather
You can't agree with this because you have heard ransom teaching many times and accepted it on the force of its repetition. Suppose you are hearing this for the first time, then think how reasonable it is, that would make the difference. This is how it was happened to me. I believed many things such as ransom teaching because others were believing it. But when I analysed as though hearing each belief for the first time, I had to shun many of them.
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Chain of “truths”
by venus in1) god gives more wisdom to solomon to become the wisest ever lived on earth.. 2) using this “higher”wisdom, he solved a problem involving two women who claimed ownership of a child looking at the facial expression of the dishonest woman.
* his ruling revealed that ‘a loving mother would not permit her child to be killed’ (1 king 3:27).
this ruling reportedly rooted at the “higher wisdom” given to solomon by god actually backfires on god whose core quality is love and yet he sent his son to be murdered for the betterment of mankind—a thing which no parents can teach their children because it would shock them.. 3) if jesus really came to be murdered and thus “to take away the sin of the world” (john 1:29), he would have used his superhuman skills to explain this incomprehensible teaching (killing the innocent removes the sins of the sinners).
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1) God gives more wisdom to Solomon to become the wisest ever lived on earth.
2) Using this “higher”wisdom, he solved a problem involving two women who claimed ownership of a child looking at the facial expression of the dishonest woman.* His ruling revealed that ‘a loving mother would not permit her child to be killed’ (1 King 3:27). This ruling reportedly rooted at the “higher wisdom” given to Solomon by God actually backfires on God whose core quality is love and yet He sent His son to be murdered for the betterment of mankind—a thing which no parents can teach their children because it would shock them.
3) If Jesus really came to be murdered and thus “to take away the sin of the world” (John 1:29), he would have used his superhuman skills to explain this incomprehensible teaching (killing the innocent removes the sins of the sinners). The only passing comment Jesus made on this is found in Mathew 20:25-28 which was ascertained by Luke as later adoption, hence Luke deleted the controversial verse (“son of man came to give his life as a ransom for many”) from his account. (Luke 22:25-27)
4) Even after the so called ransom was paid, sin continues to rule the world, and mankind continues to be under the slavery of sin for over 2000 years.
In this chain of “truths,” is there anything really truth? Aren’t rather they signs of human writing that arose out of thoughtlessness?
*What Solomon performed was not the sign of super-human intelligence. Listen to one historical account of a Prime Minister who solved a nearly impossible problem (narrated by my Professor when I was doing my clinical psychology in Capella University). ‘One ghee merchant had borrowed 500 gold coins from his colleague. But when it was time to repay his debt, he refused to do so and claimed he never borrowed the money. The merchant who had lent the money went to the Emperor Akbar for justice, who in turn assigned Birbal (His Prime Minister) to find a solution. Birbal listened to both sides, then asked for ten days’ time and sent both the merchants away. He then ordered 10 tins of oil. Each tin contained 10 kg oil and in two of them Birbal put a gold coin. Then he called all the ten merchants including those two merchants in dispute and gave each of them one of the tins saying, “Examine this oil carefully, determine the price and return them after three days.” But he ensured he gave the two containers with the gold coins to the two merchants whose case was pending. The merchant who had lent the money was an honest man and as soon as he found the gold coin, he returned the coin to Birbal. But his dishonest neighbor found the coin and did not return it to Birbal. Thus Birbal proved who was lying.’ Anyone who has keenly observed human expressions can detect deception by observing body language and microexpressions through the Facial Action Coding System. Just like babies have universal language of waving the face to reject food it does’nt like, humans have universal facial expressions that match with their deception.
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Who is Jesus?
by Jarred K innew to the forum.
hope today finds everyone well.
i’m not super familiar with jw theology concerning jesus.
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Hi Onager,
Yes I agree with you, there could have been somebody like a sage by name Jesus who spoke great truths such as those found in Luke 17:21; Mathew 5:44-48 ..etc. But he was used by commercially minded religious leaders making him a mystic and miracle worker. Mysticism is repugnant to human comprehension and runs against the very purpose of communication, hence God would not use mysticism.
God also would not use miracles. Great miracle is resurrection, yet this is not a greater miracle than a tiny mustard seed in which memories of billions and billions of its future generation remain protected.
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Who is Jesus?
by Jarred K innew to the forum.
hope today finds everyone well.
i’m not super familiar with jw theology concerning jesus.
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Onager
If Jesus really lived, then problems are more because it would mean the subject of what is called redemption by the death of the Son of God originated from God. Without any conditioning, anyone would revolt at the recollection of what he reads in the Bible that it was making God Almighty act like a passionate man who killed his son when he could not revenge himself in any other way. I am sure a man who did such a thing would be hanged.
God is too good to do such an action, and also too almighty to be under any necessity of doing it. Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system. But the Biblical concept of God the Father putting his son to death, or employing people to do it, cannot be told by a parent to a child with conviction; and to tell him that it was done to make mankind better is making the story still worse—as if something greater would be achieved through the murder of the innocent [a logic today’s terrorists resort to]; and to tell our children that all this is a mystery is only making an excuse for the incredibility of it.
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Who is Jesus?
by Jarred K innew to the forum.
hope today finds everyone well.
i’m not super familiar with jw theology concerning jesus.
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smiddy3, shepherdless
Once I was watching a movie. When the king-designate was announced, his relatives wanted to bow down before him. He prevented them from doing so saying: “It’s enough relatives have lave, not respect.”
This made me think that God would not beg/command for worship from His children, for which Bible itself has proof in Mathew 5:44-48. Between the lines lies the commandment: “Don’t worship me, but become worship-worthy by imitating sun which is a giver (of light and warmth) and never receives anything from anybody—a quality that has its source in God Himself. When you imitate qualities of sun, you become like your heavenly father.”
That means Writers just thought what God, prophets or Jesus could have spoken or done if they were to and wrote them down. That is why we find a God with human style of functioning, illogical stories, and also things like God saying one thing in one place, yet in other place saying he did not say so. (Jeremiah 7:22; 8:8)
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Who is Jesus?
by Jarred K innew to the forum.
hope today finds everyone well.
i’m not super familiar with jw theology concerning jesus.
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If the belief of errors not morally bad did no mischief, it would make no part of the moral duty of man to oppose and remove them. There was no moral ill in believing the earth was flat, any more than there was moral virtue in believing that it was round like a globe; neither was there any moral ill in believing that there exists no God or there exists a God because belief in God is not necessary to be a good man. You know what action of others make you happy or sorrowful which means you also know how you should act towards others. Hence God never authorizes writing of scriptures. All scriptures and characters like Jesus are works of human imagination.
Interestingly, Bible itself gives proofs that Jesus was imagined by writers. For example, it is reportedly told by Jesus: "No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.” (John 3:13) It means only Jesus who descended from heaven has gone into heaven, no one else has gone into heaven! Jesus ascended into heaven at the end of his ministry, after his death. Hence how could he say he has ascended into heaven at the start of his ministry?
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Thus Spoke Zarathustra - audiobook
by Brokeback Watchtower innietzsche wrote this 1883-1891 a parable about the death of god and prophesizes about the superman.
moral responsibility/universality is questioned in depth, altruistic concern, guilt for wrongdoing, moral responsibility, the value of compassion, the demand for equal consideration of persons, was examined by this soon to be insane(1889) intellectual philosopher.. cg jung says that nietzsche was under the possession of an archetype from the collective unconscious and i think a closer examination suggest this is true.. http://www.depthinsights.com/depth-insights-scholarly-ezine/e-zine-issue-3-fall-2012/jungs-reception-of-friedrich-nietzsche-a-roadmap-for-the-uninitiated-by-dr-ritske-rensma/.
with this in mind here is the reading in english :.
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Brokeback Watchtower, I read that link.
Nietzsche was offspring of the time in which Church was presenting a God who made the innocent (Jesus) suffer for the guilty [by extension the rest of the innocent], teaching the whimsical account of the creation and the strange story of Eve- the snake and the apple, and the Christian system of strange arithmetic, that three are one, and one is three … eternal torment, forgiveness of sins through priests … hence Nietzsche had to go to the other extreme saying such a God can’t exist.
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Thus Spoke Zarathustra - audiobook
by Brokeback Watchtower innietzsche wrote this 1883-1891 a parable about the death of god and prophesizes about the superman.
moral responsibility/universality is questioned in depth, altruistic concern, guilt for wrongdoing, moral responsibility, the value of compassion, the demand for equal consideration of persons, was examined by this soon to be insane(1889) intellectual philosopher.. cg jung says that nietzsche was under the possession of an archetype from the collective unconscious and i think a closer examination suggest this is true.. http://www.depthinsights.com/depth-insights-scholarly-ezine/e-zine-issue-3-fall-2012/jungs-reception-of-friedrich-nietzsche-a-roadmap-for-the-uninitiated-by-dr-ritske-rensma/.
with this in mind here is the reading in english :.
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dropoffyourkeylee, That is because Nietzsche had a tunnel vision. Look at his famous quote: “We should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh” (something that does not make you laugh is not truth?!)