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No shame in being apostate

by venus in

the one who is standing away is apostate (literally "to stand off," from apo- "away from" + stenai "to stand").

ironically, proponents of untruth may call truth-seekers as apostates, thus making the term meaningless.. for example, paul, the greatest of all apostles, taught untruth (stood away from truth) [see his main teaching in romans 5:12-21] even though he had known the following truths:.

1) all humans did not become sinners through one man (genesis 5:24; job 1:8; psalm 18:23; ezekiel 14:14 and compare habakkuk 2:4), hence there was no need for anyone to pay ransom.. 2) in the old testament, the messiah refers to a “prince of peace” who literally rules from jerusalem, not merely anointed to the office to do the work in some distant future and get killed before that future occurs.

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BluesBrother,

Interestingly, people blindly accept what Paul wrote, and remember some famous OT verses as support. Interestingly, the so-called messianic verses actually do not speak about Messiah. For example,

1) Psalm 22. It’s all about a person who describes himself as “I am a worm and not a man,” who knew God only from this birth “from my mother’s womb you have been my God” (Ps 22: 6, 10).

2) Similarly, Isaiah 53 is all about a man who “had no form, majesty or beauty” (Isaiah 53:2) which can never fit the description of one chosen by God Almighty, about whom people thought was “smitten by God.” (Isaiah 53:4). “They made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death” (Isaiah 53:9) [Jesus was crucified along with two criminals, not with a “rich man”]

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No shame in being apostate

by venus in

the one who is standing away is apostate (literally "to stand off," from apo- "away from" + stenai "to stand").

ironically, proponents of untruth may call truth-seekers as apostates, thus making the term meaningless.. for example, paul, the greatest of all apostles, taught untruth (stood away from truth) [see his main teaching in romans 5:12-21] even though he had known the following truths:.

1) all humans did not become sinners through one man (genesis 5:24; job 1:8; psalm 18:23; ezekiel 14:14 and compare habakkuk 2:4), hence there was no need for anyone to pay ransom.. 2) in the old testament, the messiah refers to a “prince of peace” who literally rules from jerusalem, not merely anointed to the office to do the work in some distant future and get killed before that future occurs.

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The one who is standing away is apostate (literally "to stand off," from apo- "away from" + stenai "to stand"). Ironically, proponents of untruth may call truth-seekers as apostates, thus making the term meaningless.

For example, Paul, the greatest of all apostles, taught untruth (stood away from truth) [see his main teaching in Romans 5:12-21] even though he had known the following truths:

1) All humans did not become sinners through one man (Genesis 5:24; Job 1:8; Psalm 18:23; Ezekiel 14:14 and compare Habakkuk 2:4), hence there was no need for anyone to pay ransom.

2) In the Old Testament, the Messiah refers to a “prince of peace” who literally rules from Jerusalem, not merely anointed to the office to do the work in some distant future and get killed before that future occurs. (Isaiah 9:6-7)

3) If ransom teaching was the main theme, Jesus would have used all his skills to explain it. In contrast, he believed he would never be killed (Mathew 21:33-39) which means Mathew 20:28 is obviously a later adoption which Luke deleted from his work (Luke 22:25-27) after comparing with original manuscripts (Luke 1:3)

In spite of all these, Paul chose to teach untruth (apostasy). If Bible’s main teaching itself is apostasy, how can Bible-supporters’ calling us apostates have any meaning?

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The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

by venus in

in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

someone made a second part to this story.

fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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In view of the above, I want to make an interesting observation:

If someone believes he is not a sinner from his birth, it means he is in truth; yet he will be called apostate (one who keeps away from truth). Though he is not rebellious, his very presence is rebellion. He is of creative mind.

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When JWs Pray for Houston

by NJ501 in

when i hear prayers given by brothers why do they only pray for other jws not all people??

i remember hearing a comment from my mother saying 4000 jws are affected by this...and i'm thinking yes that is sad but what about the tens of thousands other people affected?

too me it just doesn't seem right to just pray for jws but to pray for all victims.

venus

Spirituality means realizing all humans are our brothers and sisters. (Deut 10:17; Romans 2:11). Praying for a minority is opposite of spirituality.

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No Need For The Delusion Of The Supernatural To Become Human

by Brokeback Watchtower in

"no need for the delusion of the supernatural because the very task of becoming truly human is a colossal achievement.

" rudiger safransky.

i think this means stop believing in fairy tales and get on with your life and be who your supposed to be and not some delusions of the herd's imaginary friend, shit on religious indoctrination and become what your dna wants you to become.

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Doing supernatural things by a super-human person cannot inspire human beings who would reason “he can do it, but we are humans.” A flying eagle sets no example for wingless beings.

Humans need no lessons from others. He knows what action makes him happy and what makes him sorrowful when it is done by others. This gives him a pattern to behave with others.

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"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction." -- Feb 2017 Watchtower

by cognisonance in

full stop.

(paragraph 12 -- feburary 2017 watchtower -- who is leading god's people today?

)so why then would any jw abide by harmful doctrines setup by the governing body (blood, shunning, the two-witness rule, etc)?

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This is like saying "square circle" both of which cannot exist together--it is either square or circle.

Similarly, either organization can err which means it is not God-directed, or it cannot err which means it is God-directed.

It cannot be a God-directed organization that can err!

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The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

by venus in

in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

someone made a second part to this story.

fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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everapostate,

Hebrews 9: 27 is an apt scripture you cited. That means arrangement of ransom tricky and very complicated subject which will not work without breaking many already existing laws and logic, hence cannot be from God.

When God does something, we can expect precision like that of periodic table. For example, Gold is element 79 and mercury is element 80, which means that there is only a slight difference between their atomic structures. The mercury atom has one more proton in its nucleus and the corresponding electron in the outer (known as F shell) orbit.

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Todays Text - Classic example of how to twist scripture to your own ends

by doubtfull1799 in

you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “abba, father!”—rom.

those who have received this special invitation from god do not need another witness from any other source.

they do not need someone else to verify what has happened to them.

venus

That's an obvious twisting typical of religious leaders who seldom knows how others would think about their reasoning.

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The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

by venus in

in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

someone made a second part to this story.

fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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David_Jay,

Your last paragraph is ground-breaking--very true. That means Jesus would also know this fact, hence Mathew 20:28 could never have been uttered by Jesus; and iterestingly in the next chapter he says he did not come to die for anyone (Mathew 21:33-39)

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The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!

by venus in

in the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.

someone made a second part to this story.

fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.

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Half banana,

You are right. Things were borrowed and thoughtlessly incorporated so that analytical minds get stumble on each points. No wonder, the word for world in some languages (such as Arabic, Persian, Dari, Pashto, Urdu ......) is duniya which means no law or logic.