I see Christ as the Father's Word manifested in the flesh, and the Holy Spirit as the Father's actions manifested as whatever was observed.
Observed distinct from each other, reliant upon the will of the Father, and yet cannot be separated.
the trnity to me means the true nature of god essence,attributes each person of the trinity is equal the father the son and the holly spirit all share the devine nature ie three persons of the godhead are all equal in power ,glory and wisdom john 10:30.jesus and his father god are one meaning of the same nature mathew 28.19 jesus said all to be baptised in the name of the father and of the son and the holly ghost reprissenting 3 persons of the godhead to wellcome the devine trinity into your soul .
I see Christ as the Father's Word manifested in the flesh, and the Holy Spirit as the Father's actions manifested as whatever was observed.
Observed distinct from each other, reliant upon the will of the Father, and yet cannot be separated.
talked for about 45 minutes with 2 cart people .
daniel wiebe (his vid) emily, and myself (csf) .
caught them lying 4x on very important topics.
one of the biggest missunderstanding and unbiblical teaching of the jw's is that jesus is michael the archangel.
here is what proffessor anthony buzzard has to say about this:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puqzffyxno0.
am finding a whole lot of acronyms that are really foreign to me and i now have an appreciation for what cult language sounds like to non-culters.
wondering please if you can post your definitions so i can get up to speed.
otherwise, as an indoctrinated ex-culter, i am inclined to create my own new light and swiftly it will be gospel.
i see no logic in it.
i see what appears to be some scriptural contradictions but i see no merit in a trinitarian view of god.. .
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I spent about two years in deep study on the Trinity. I can honestly say that I understand it about as much as I can. I had an epiphany when I realized two things: JWs think the Trinity is modalism (and so the questions they ask are moot), and when I began thinking of Jesus as literally God's Word and viewing scriptures with that in mind. It really changed my perception and brought a lot of clarity to this issue.
this is my first post on here so bear with me.
currently i am still an active jw with serious questions about the jw org.
i was hesitant signing up but really need as much input from the people on this forum to get a clear understanding on things.
First of all, congratulations on reaching out to those outside the organization for answers. This must feel very uncomfortable for you, but you are doing the right thing by asking. As you said, the truth should be able to stand up to anything. There are many very intelligent people here who can answer your questions. Keep asking them. As OneEyedJoe mentioned, jwfacts.com is a fabulous resource as it simply quotes Watchtower literature. I would also add jwstruggle.com to your list. That site contains a higher percentage of people who have/had questions and remained believers in the Bible. Best wishes.
i was a jw for many years.
during those years i learned how to identify a false religion.
all the other religions were easy to prove false.
Just a random thought: I have always smiled when a JW explains to me how they determine that their religion is right and every other is wrong. The standards were created by their own people, and yet there are so many other verses that could be used to determine the true religion that do not apply to them. It's like someone saying, "I'm the best because my mom told me so."
back in the 60s, wt literature stressed that jesus died to offset adamic sin.. later, they started talking in terms of jesus dying for personal sins as well, but maybe that was ray franz's influence.. as a jw, did you feel that jesus died for your sins or only for adam's original sin?.
does anyone know the current wt teaching on this?.
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I believe the current teaching is that Jesus died for the inherited Adamic sin only and not for personal sins based on 1 Corinthians 15.
sorry guys i posted that the other day but with some of the actual post missing ,here it is again .please feel free to find errors,raise questions or fill me in with any more valueable information on the matter .i don't claim to know it all i'm just someone who's constantly looking for answers as most of you here :.
did jesus preach to the dead souls of people from noahs days?what does 1 peter 3:19, 20 mean?
in this state [in the spirit, following his resurrection] also he [jesus] went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, who had once been disobedient when the patience of god was waiting in noahs days, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls [souls, kj, dy; people, tev, jb; persons, rs], were carried safely through the water.
The evangelical viewpoint is that Jesus went to Sheol/Hades for three days and "preached" to the OT souls, both righteous and unrighteous.
do you believe it's inerrant?
do you believe it's based on things that happened, but a lot of it may just be stories and it's not perfect because men wrote it?
do you think it's just a good guide?
rjharris, I absolutely love what you wrote. It is very much where I am at right now.