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Should jw women B obese?

by badboy in

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i understand that in prehistoric europe that they had `venus' figurines that reperested the `mother goddess'.. these show an obese `woman' and r rather obscene and indecent so please do not show links 2 pictures of any of these figurines.

undercover

I agree that eating can become an addiction. The experience I gave earlier was not meant to belittle anyone with a real addiction. But the person I knew was just a slob. He didn't care about his appearance or his weight or his health.

I don't mean to lump all heavy people or over-eaters into that same category. I guess when you give an example, you kinda have to know the person and situation. But I know that his gluttony was not an addiction.

At the same time, smoking can be an addiction. Does the WTS have a program to help these addicts? Outside of exhorting these ones to pray, No. But yet they disfellowship ones who cannot quit. But someone who overeats, whether addicted or not, is ignored. According to the scriptures that they say that they adhere to, gluttony is wrong. Addiction or not. But they do not punish these ones while making sure smokers, addicted or not, are removed. There is where the hypocrisy is.

I beleive one can smoke occasionally without becoming addicted. It's like alchohol. Some can, some can't. If you feel can you become addicted to it, then you should abstain completely. If you can have a smoke or drink without overindulging or feel a constant craving, then it should not be a problem. Eating or overeating is a different situation. You have to eat to live, so someone addicted to eating needs help. Help that cannot be given by elders praying over you.

Why not counsel, disclipline and rehabilitate the addicted ones, no matter what the addiction, instead of picking on certain addictions to condemn but ignore others without ever really helping anyone?

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

undercover

You skipped some really great stuff.

I may have, but I kinda just wanted an answer to the age old debate. Call me lazy that way. I didn't want to read a tit for tat argument(which is what I bet it became).

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

undercover

I read the first 2 or 3 pages of this "discussion" and decided to skip ahead to page 25 and see if it was decided if the trinity is true or not.

Oh well. Maybe by page 30 we'll know.

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Let's examine this picture more carefully

by drahcir yarrum in

this is a picture of a new kingdom hall from a post several months ago.

i was looking at the entryway and noticed two chairs by the door and thought it was a strange place for two chairs.

are these chairs put there for the use of the "ancient prophets of old" if they should visit the kh?

undercover

Maybe it's for the black dot watchmen. o wait, thats just at conventions. or.... is it?

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Being called brother/sister in public places

by JH in

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how did you like being called brother or sister, when you were in public.

i remember once i was inside a bank waiting in line, and all of a sudden , a brother also waiting in line, said to me quite loud, hello brother x .

i felt like a jerk, being called brother in front of everyone there.

undercover

I remember as a child being scolded for NOT calling an adult "brother" or "sister". Us childen were not allowed to call an adult by their first name. Couldn't say "Hello, Tom" or "Hi, Peggy". It had to be "Hello, Brother Smith" or "Hi Sister Jones". We were also supposed to stand up when adult JWs that were visiting came into a room. Something about that rising before gray hair(or sumthin like that) thing.

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Should jw women B obese?

by badboy in

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i understand that in prehistoric europe that they had `venus' figurines that reperested the `mother goddess'.. these show an obese `woman' and r rather obscene and indecent so please do not show links 2 pictures of any of these figurines.

undercover

There was one elder in a cong I was in that was gluttonous. No two ways about it. He ate too much and was fat. When he got up to sing or give a part, the chair would come up with him because he was wedged in so tight into it. I've seen buttons pop off more than once on his shirts that were stretched to the point of tearing. At picnics and wedding dinners, he was always the first in line and would pile it up as much as he could. Always went back for 2nds and 3rds. And then desserts. And then 2nd on desserts. We used to joke about him buying his suits at Home Depot, in the awning fabric section. In the elders/ms mtgs with the CO, the other elders would pick on him about his weight. But never did anyone express concern on his being in violation of scripture. Never was he counseled on setting a good example for others. Never was he removed because he was gluttonous. But more than one person I know of was DFd for being seen smoking a single cigarette. Double standards? No, just hypocrisy.

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Being called brother/sister in public places

by JH in

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how did you like being called brother or sister, when you were in public.

i remember once i was inside a bank waiting in line, and all of a sudden , a brother also waiting in line, said to me quite loud, hello brother x .

i felt like a jerk, being called brother in front of everyone there.

undercover

What also killed me was being stuck in a restaurant with someone who seems to have to have a real long conversation with "J" before diggin-in. One time the waitress wanted to ask this guy something about his order and stood at the table for what seemed 5 mins. while bro spiritual finished his thanksgiving. She gave me the 'is he o.k.' look so I said he's o.k. just come back later.

I was thinking about praying at meals in restaurants the other day. Even when active I usually did not make a visible showing of praying before meals at restaurants. I had kinda forgotten about it until I ran into a couple from the local cong. and they were sitting at a table nearby and they made it a point to hold hands and he prayed aloud for both of them when the appetizer arrived. That looks righteous over much to me. Even if you feel the need to pray at every meal, why make a scene about doing so. Why not do it silently without bringing attention to yourself. I hate that showy super righteous act whether it's JWs or any other religion.

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Jehovah's Witness & The Matrix

by Yizuman in

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if the wtbts and jws existed in the matrix and they all suddenly were unplugged from the matrix, how would they react seeing the "real world"?

oh yeah, anyone think agent smith could be a perfect "elder"??

edited by - yizuman on 5 december 2002 17:24:4.

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can you believe there are active JW who watch that movie and don't start to wonder about their believe system?

The Matrix is rated R. They aren't even supposed to be watching it.

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bad songs

by freedom96 in

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i was reading a post that reminded me of the songs that were popular but was wrong to listen to for various reasons.. we all remember puff the magic dragon being about drugs, which i hear was just a rumour.. another i remember was let it be by the beatles, which was " catholic based about mary the mother of jesus" when apparently it was written about paul mccartney's own mother.

shows what they know.. which songs do you remember that were "bad" that we were not supposed to listen to?

undercover

even "Hotel California" was highly questionable

Wow. I remember that one too. I was the first of my peer group to buy that album. I was also chastised, counseled, ridiculed and brow beaten for owning that album. Remember the picture on the inside cover? The person on the balcony? It was supposed to be the leader of some Satanic worshipping group that Glenn Frey and Don Henley hung around with. I still have it and bought the CD later too. Great album, devil worshipping and all.

Do these urban legends exist for the newer stars and their music? I never heard anyone complain about Brittney Spears or Christina Aq(however you spell it). No one seems to complain about the new angst filled "alternative" rock. I have heard rap and heavy metal mentioned but nothing much outside of that. Are the dub parents and elders falling down on the job?

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bad songs

by freedom96 in

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friends

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i was reading a post that reminded me of the songs that were popular but was wrong to listen to for various reasons.. we all remember puff the magic dragon being about drugs, which i hear was just a rumour.. another i remember was let it be by the beatles, which was " catholic based about mary the mother of jesus" when apparently it was written about paul mccartney's own mother.

shows what they know.. which songs do you remember that were "bad" that we were not supposed to listen to?

undercover

The Twist - Condemned by name repeatedly. Can you believe it??? If you'd like, I can post the references.

I remember that too. Starting to show my age a bit.

Last witness wedding I went to, they played the twist and everyone was doin the twist including the sloppy overweight elder and his wife. I remember wondering then if the viewpoint on that dance craze had since changed and if I missed it in the publications

How bout dancin with anyone who wasn't your mate? I didn't learn how to dance as a teenager because dancing was sooo illicit. Later when the cong. I was in loosened up a bit, I couldn't enjoy cause I hadn't ever danced before. The early weddings I went to never had dancing at the receptions. Only in the last twenty years or so, do I see witnesses enjoying dancing.