Should jw women B obese?

badboy

I understand that in prehistoric Europe that they had `Venus' figurines that reperested the `Mother Goddess'.

These show an obese `woman' and R rather obscene and indecent so please do not show links 2 pictures of any of these figurines.

LuckyLucy

gluttony

n 1: habitual eating to excess 2: eating to excess ( personified as one of the deadly sins )

Most of them are (men also) It plainly states in the bible that gluttony is a "deadly sin". I have never heard of anyone being df'd for this. ( Maybe because it would wipe out about 75% of all congergations, therefore drastically reducing magazine sales.) I have however, heard of many many people being df'd for smoking..never saw that in the bible as being a sin.

Surreptitious

Yeah, that's remarkable isn't it Lucky?

ApagaLaLuz

Even before started smoking I used this very argument to defend people being DFd for smoking. It does not specifically mention smoking anywhere in the bible. Yet it does specifically mention over eating. My mother sister 'perfect elder's wife' weighed well over 300 lbs. She was never counseled for eating whole pies.

SpannerintheWorks

VeryBadBoy,

so please do not show links 2 pictures of any of these figurines.

Take a look at these luurrvelllee creatures...

almost there!

don't miss it!

MADE YOU LOOK!!

Spanner

Edited by - SpannerintheWorks on 6 December 2002 14:13:54

orangefatcat

Let me tell you a story, well maybe I won't its to cruel and I am in no mood to tell how mean some family memebers can be. So I will tell you this, that most of my life I have had a weight problem and I have always hovered around the 250-280lbs all except for the time I had gastroplasty in 1975. and I dropped to 145 Ibs and then the time I fasted for an entire year and dropped to 127Ibs and nearly died. These are stories of my life I would not like to see happen to anyone for any reason. As I sad many JWs can be cruel and there were many of them. But not all of them were judgemental and for those that knew me well knew I was not a glutton or a pig or anything else for that matter. I never have been like that in my life. I am not saying that I don't enjoy good food I do indeed, but I don't overindulge. I am not one to go to a buffet and gorge on plates and plates of food. No I have one plate of food, so its no bargin for me. I do go back for dessert. Should JWs be obese, well I guess there are a lot of factors to consider. That one witness who was 300 Ibs and ate a whole pie, has problems for sure and it goes beyond eating, there are problems that are deep seated in this individual. A normal person wouldn't do that. She is eating to console herself. Its like the person who drinks and drinks til he is drunk, well why, he is trying to console himself. From what who knows. I mean if you only do it once that is different but if its constant that is where the problem is.

Just ask shrink Kitty Kat.

Love Orangefatcat.

undercover

There was one elder in a cong I was in that was gluttonous. No two ways about it. He ate too much and was fat. When he got up to sing or give a part, the chair would come up with him because he was wedged in so tight into it. I've seen buttons pop off more than once on his shirts that were stretched to the point of tearing. At picnics and wedding dinners, he was always the first in line and would pile it up as much as he could. Always went back for 2nds and 3rds. And then desserts. And then 2nd on desserts. We used to joke about him buying his suits at Home Depot, in the awning fabric section. In the elders/ms mtgs with the CO, the other elders would pick on him about his weight. But never did anyone express concern on his being in violation of scripture. Never was he counseled on setting a good example for others. Never was he removed because he was gluttonous. But more than one person I know of was DFd for being seen smoking a single cigarette. Double standards? No, just hypocrisy.

ApagaLaLuz

Dear Orange,

I think I should have been more tactful in my post. I did not mean to imply that everyone who is overweight is a glutton. I know exactly how difficult having a weight problem can be. I constantly fluctuate with mine. And becuase of the genetics of my parents, I have to work harder than most people at staying at a healthy weight. 3 years ago, shortly after leaving my family I dropped to a very unhealthy weight. People who saw me said I looked sick. People asked me if I was doing drugs. A friend of mine tried to get me help for an eating disorder. The thing is though, I didn't have an eating disorder. I was simply so stressed, and busy working extra, and I wasn't around my mother's cooking. I've since stabilized my crazy schedule and put some weight back on. My mother, though being obsese, was guilty of gluttony. My point was about picking and chosing which rules to enforce. And might I add that someone doesn't have to be obese to be guilty of gluttony.

p.s. for my whining side note...... I think it really sucks the emphasis our society puts on weight

Iwasyoungonce

undercover said it, this is not about "gluttony" it's about hypocrisy.

One person is judged unworthy by god on earth while another is ignored.

(For those in the real world)

People should be concerned if they or someone else is overweight. Being obese can kill you. (And that is not a good thing.) Do you think that depression plays a factor in being overweight? I do. And denial when you are addicted to food. The diets that do not include a life style change will fail. I think that so many people don't know what they want, they do not know how to be content with themselves much less how to be happy. This leads to state of being uncontent/loathing, and apathy about themselves. Food for that few minutes fills the void. You do have control over what goes in your mouth. And as strange as that seems that control is some power and I can sure see where a JW would/could turn to food for some comfort; Not that I know if there is a greater obese factor there than mainstream. I think everyone battles with themselves for self control. Most people just do not have the (elder/wt) bogus god factor.

My 2 cents

orangefatcat

Chevy, In no way did I take offence to what you said. It takes alot to upset me. I guess I am still annoyed that people can't take me for who I am inside and never mind what I look like on the outside. Its their lose. Cause I am a fantastic person and I love people and enjoy live and even my parents ex husband and one of my sisters just couldn't accept me for who I was or what I am. To them being a small person was more important. They thought I brought shame on Jehovah's name for being heavy. Shall I continue?? What is that scripture in Matt 7&1 or the one that says remove the rafter in your own eye and then you will see clearly how to extract the straw that is in your brothers eyes Luke 6&42 You have no idea how many years of misery and therapy I went through to realize I was not the one with the problem but it was them and years later I found out that it was my ex husband who started all this by telling lies to my parents. He tried everything to cause a rift between my parents and me and it worked. I was distraught for years, but now I am free of them all and I am free in my mind, my heart, my soul, and my well being. Yes I am who I am and I am a proud person today because of all the help that I got.

So Chevy dear, you didn't upset me in any way shape or form....I still love you okay..... get the pun in there....???

Should jw women B obese?

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