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Public Talk Déjà vu

by NewYork44M in

several weeks ago i sat through the public talk and could not believe the lack of substance of the talk.

it was filled with worn out bromides and illustrations that we have all heard hundreds of times.

i was embarrassed for the speaker and flabbergasted that the audience could actual sit through such nonsense.. thenabout half way through the talk, i realized that i recognized the talk.

The last two talks I went to were exact opposites of each other. One was on the trinity. Inwardly, I groaned. Not the trinity again. But this brother gave an excellent talk. He was well prepared, knowledgeable and was a natural speaker. The other one, which I saw after the trinity talk, was boring, incoherent, sloppy and dull, dull, dull. I don't even remember what it was about. The speaker had no business being on the platform. His command of the english language was lacking. He inserted his own little editorial comments that were not supported by scripture or even the society. There was no flow to the material presented. He just went from side point to side point. There was no conclusion, he just finished and walked off to a hesitant applause.

How many brothers out of an average hall should be giving public talks? My experience shows that on average only two out of the ten or twelve giving talks are good enough to present the material in a lively, coherent, grammatically correct and interesting way. The rest were either too nervous, unprepared, dull, unschooled or overbearing. I used to hate when a local brother gave the main talk. But then when the visiting brothers came they were often worse than our own. I used to wonder if anyone in their home hall knew that they were this bad and why in God's name did they let them on the road.

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What Does THIS Remind You Of?

by Prisca in

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i found it in an online real estate site:.

warning: this pic may produce trigger reactions..... .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .

undercover

I've been to that hall in Reading.

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British swingers "grounded"

by BadJerry in

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talk about the "man" overstepping his boundaries - eu may be the next wbts.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=573&e=5&u=/nm/20030121/od_nm/swings_dc.

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I thought this was gonna be about British wife-swapping

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One question that would make you think....

by Dawn in

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no jw's have been to my door for years because they all know where i live - my mom drives by with her "car group" and points out our house, even stops to use the potty or get a pop.

silly - i know, but mom doesn't seem to care about the shunning thing (thank goodness).. anyways - hubby and i have bought a new house and will be moving out of this congregation's area soon.

it's a brand new house in a new area so i'm sure it'll get worked fairly quickly (new blood on the block).

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I've always wanted to hit them with this statement: "As a Christian, and a stirct adherent to the Bible, I can not follow a religion that denies Jesus as my mediatior with God."

That might be the best line of thinking to use. Or ask them who their mediator is. If they answer Jesus, you can make them look silly by showing them that they don't believe by the WTS standards. If they answer correctly(by WTS standards) then you can say that you choose to go by the Bible and what it says. This would cause some uncertainty for sure. You won't win any arguments or convince them, but it will plant a seed of doubt.

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

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You know whats good about this thread? That even though there are some disagreements, it is still happening. And without any name-calling. You couldn't have this discussion with JWs because it's political. Political history, but still political. They don't know anything about it or care anything about and can't talk rationally about it. It's good to see people thinking for themselves and debating these type things. Thanks guys.

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

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it wouldn't have been necessary for Mr. Lincoln to decide to make one of his most pressing issues slavery, in that he issued the Emancipation. If it wasn't such a big issue, it wouldn't have been necessary for Union boats to come down the Mississippi and burn several homes and plantations down to the ground

Lincoln knew something that the President and his staff didn't know during Vietnam: A war needs a cause. Without it, the public will turn against it. The North needed a cause. Slavery. That's a good cause. Let's come together as a nation to do away with an evil thing. Lincoln wasn't that much a humanitarian or the Union boats wouldn't have come down the Mississippi and burn homes and plantations down to the ground.

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

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Not all things were fixed by the war, just as not all things are right now. But it seems to escape a lot of people that the North had slaves too. In fact, the United States of America who brags about it's freedoms used slave labor up until and during the War Between the States. So what makes the Union any better than the Confederacy? But I think we are digressing from the point of the thread. If reparations where suggested in the late 1800's or early 1900's maybe(not that it would have happened), but 150 years is too late to try to seek damages. And if you want to talk reparations, what about the Indians? Hell, we'd have to move out and give em back the country.

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Whats the best anti-war film?

by sleepy in

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just watched the "thin red line" last night, a very artisticaly shot film with great music, that shows the mental aguish suffered by soldiers in war.the contrast between the peace and beaty of the island and its people and the war being fought makes you wonder what war is all about.. it makes me wish that people would sit down and think about what they are actually doing when they talk of sending people to kill for their country..

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Speilberg is a genius. He made Saving Private Ryan both a memorial to WWII vets and an anti-war movie at the same time. I came out thinking about what a price so many paid but at the same time thinking that war is such a waste.

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Whats the best anti-war film?

by sleepy in

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just watched the "thin red line" last night, a very artisticaly shot film with great music, that shows the mental aguish suffered by soldiers in war.the contrast between the peace and beaty of the island and its people and the war being fought makes you wonder what war is all about.. it makes me wish that people would sit down and think about what they are actually doing when they talk of sending people to kill for their country..

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Where Eagles Dare was anti-war? How do you get that? I read the book and saw the movie. Just an action story/flick to me. I'd be interested to know how that was anti-war. Maybe I'm missing sumthin.

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We're all Americans....Reparations?

by Country Girl in

reparations.

this country was barely populated when slaves were brought from africa.

are you going to hunt down every descendant of slaves, many of whom took on the names of their owners families and have thousands upon thousands of descendants?

undercover

I ifnd it bizarre for a Canadian to teach an American about their own history. Country Girl, the American Civil War was not started over the issue of equality of man. Rather the civil war began over the issue of individual state rights. The Emancipation Proclamation wasn't written until well after the start of the war.

That's because Americans are taught now that the Cival War was about equality of man. Anyone who studies history knows better, but the average high school educated American doesn't. It's called revisionist history. It's also one reason why Southerners are belittled for trying to hang on to their Southern heritage. They become labeld racists and bigots cause they want to fly the Confederate battle flag, when actually Southerners want what they wanted then, individual state rights.