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  Make Up A Prophecy or a Statement You'd Like To See In A Watchtower

  by minimus in

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  since the watchtower has regularly disseminated "false prophecy" over the years and has given truly silly reasonings for their beliefs, let's give the society some ideas as to what they might put into the next watchtower.....i'll start----"since the elders are representatives of christ jesus himself, we should give them glory too.

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  Take it in the other direction. If they became so full of themselves and made too many drastic changes. Would people wake up and realize they have been fooled? What if you read this:

  From the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses:

  Dear Brothers,

  Upon further reflection on the scriptures and with prayerful consideration and meditation on Jehovah's purpose, the Governing Body is pleased to learn from Jehovah himself that they have been given all ruling power on earth over Jehovah's faithful followers.

  Previously true Christians accepted the Governing Body as Jehovah's channel of communication, but as Jehovah has revealed to the faithful modern prophet made up of the Governing Body, these men are in fact Jehovah's ambassadors on earth with ruling authority over the subjects of Jehovah's earthly organization.

  What does this mean for Jehovah's true worshippers?

  For one, this good news justifies our position as God's earthly organization and gives us all authority over all who profess to worship Jehovah. Our beloved followers can rest assured that whatever decisions we make will be in their best interest and since Jehovah has given us this power, we can only make good decisions. Of course this will mean accepting the rightful position of the organization in your life as dedicated followers of this program as set up by Jehovah God himself. Immediate changes are already underway. Letters of instruction have been mailed to all bodies of elders regarding the changes to take place as soon as this letter is read to the congregation.

  What are some of the exciting changes?

  All property owned by true christians will become the property of Jehovah God, held in deed of trust by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. All dedicated, baptized christians rejoice at the oppurtunity to give their material possesions in furthering the Kingdom work.

  Another exciting change invloves marriage partners and choosing the right one. As we progress further into this wicked system, divorce rates have skyrocketed, even among Jehovah's people. To reverse this God dis-honoring trend, the Governing Body will approve all engagements and marriages. Upon engagement, the local body of elders will, if they approve of the proposed union, submit this proposal to the Governing Body for prayerful consideration and guidance from the Holy Spirit. We know that all true worshippers of Jehovah rejoice at the prospect of having their marriage blessed and accepted by Jehovah himself through his Holy Spirit and his earthly ambassadors.

  An even more exciting change involves our most precious inheritance from Jehovah - our children. As set out in principle when Jepthah promised his daughter to Jehovah's work, we too today as Jehovah's servants will now share in the great Jepthah work. All children born of faithful parents will immediately be dedicated to Jehovahs ambassadors with the privilege and responsibility of serving at Bethel when they reach 18 years of age. What joyous news for parents of the true God. Now our children will gain the best education of all after high school; that of the true God Jehovah and his palace on earth - Bethel training. We are so honored to accept these gifts from God to continue his work here on earth.

  Of course, this great influx of volunteers in 20 years time will involve much preparation. All true worshippers with construction experience will have the great priviledge of sharing one year out of every five in helping to construct newer, more modern Bethel buildings to house the many new workers. What a great priviledge for our hard working brothers. Yes, brothers, your wives will come too, their help will be needed to cook and clean and sew. Oh, grand days are indeed ahead for our followers.

  But the most exciting change of all insures that the Governing Body bloodline will survive until Jehovah sees fit to bring this wicked world to it's end. As we know the Governing Body is getting up in years and their wives are past the years of childbirth. To ensure that the bloodline of the Great Governing Body remains on earth to lead their people, starting immediately, representatives from Bethel will scan the globe for suitable virgins to bring back to Bethel to help in creating a superior bloodline of faithful servants of the Society and Jehovah. Girls from the age of 16 thorugh 22 will be eligible to share in this grand work. As Jehovah blessed Abraham with the possibility of an heir through his slave girl, so too, Jehovah is blessing his modern day prophet and ambassadors with the means to continue the great work that Jehovah has bestowed upon us.

  Brothers, we see that many grand and wonderful changes are taking place with this new arrangement from our loving father, Jehovah God. With these changes it is ever so apparent that the end of this world is closer than ever. Are we not excited to be part of the grand plan and further showing Jehovah and his earthly representatives that we are worthy of their attention? Let us not slack up in the work. Stay busy in the work of the Lord and his abassadors. Remember, accepting what the Governing Body decides is accepting what Jehovah decides. To murmer or complain against the ambassadors is murmuring and complaining against Jehovah himself. We would not want to be on the side that loses life in Armageddon by being complainers and murmerers.

  With love,

  Your Brothers and Ambassadors to Earth,

  The Governing Body
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  If attending meetings: Are brothers still "reaching out" ?

  by truthseeker in

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  it's been a while since i read any figures on the number of elders and ministerial servants in the united states.

  i can't remember who said it, but one poster said a co commented that "there are more elders than ministerial servants.".

  is this true?

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  Some elders found it hard to let a sister read at the book study when no qualified brother was present. They would rather use a brother who could barely read so that the book study went over time regularly.

  I remember occasions like that well. We had one brother in a book study who had a disability. A couple of the elders were bound and determined to make him join the school, give talks, etc. This guy could barely read, write or even speak well. It wasn't laziness or bad upbringing, it was a disability. But that didn't stop the elders. One way to "help" his reading was by letting him in the rotation of book study readers. His night of reading was excruciatingly painful. I got to where if I knew he was reading, I would visit another study or just not go.

  Once this elder tried to have an unbaptized brother read, but the sisters complained vociferously about that.

  One time I came back from vacation and went to the book study with a weeks growth of beard. Not a heavy beard, but definately on it's way. I came in just as it was time to start and the conductor was relieved to see me come in because I was the first baptized brother, besides himself, to show up. He actually started to remark about a reader finally showing up. But, his relief turned into a combination of dismay and puzzlement when he realized that I was not clean shaven. He then refused to let me read. He ended up using an un-baptized brother to read.
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  Dont walk on the grass.New system rules.

  by sleepy in

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  what rules do you think we would have had in a watchtower run new system?

  when my local assembly hall was built it had grounds around it , which had a very large amount of money spent on them.brothers would come every week to look after them.you would think then that you could have a taste of the new system in these surroundings.the assembly hall with its large gardens could be a glimpse into the new system.the brothers and sisters just like the cover of the paradise tract sitting on the grass.but you havent bargined of the insanity of watchtower rules.we were told dont walk on the grass.

  now why in gods name build an enormass garden around the assembly hall only to be told you carn't use it?all you could do was stand on the concrete pathway and look.

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  It's kinda like the episode of Star Trek where the space hippies were looking for the planet Eden. It was supposed to be a paradise like Adam and Eve lived in. They stole a star ship and navigated their way to the mythical planet only to find that the acids in the plants was poisonious and deadly. Maybe they're just trying to protect us from the paradisaic plant acid.

  I remember as a kid that we were told that we would speak only Hebrew and that we would have to learn it or be left behind. All other languages would become obsolete. I think some wanted to even go ahead and get a jump start on it and learn some before the big A. As a kid, I absolutely dreaded the idea of learning Hebrew. It scared me to death to think that I might not be able to learn it well enough to be included in the new system.
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  AHA! Moments. When you were a JW; what struck you the hardest counter?

  by Terry in

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  sooner or later every jehovah's witness encounters an intelligent person with facts at their disposal who can unload something that causes a doubt.

  naturally, you defend against it.

  but, the wind has been knocked out of your belief-system however briefly.

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  There was no real AHA! moment, but I did have a lot of little "um?" moments.

  The closest that I came to an AHA! moment was during the visit of a CO. This CO was giving a talk on remaining faithful to Jehovah. Of course, staying faithful to Jehovah meant staying faithful to the WTS and following direction from them. He proceeded to tell the story of a brother who moved to the USA from another country. This particular brother was an elder in his home country. He came with high recommendations from his old congregation. He was promptly appointed elder in his new congregation. Well, when the CO came to visit(the same CO who was visiting us - he was telling the story in first person) he met this new elder for the first time. There was a problem with this new elder. The CO met with the other elders and pointed it out to them. This new foreign brother had a beard. How were the elders going to handle this? The elder body asked what could they do, there was no rule or scriptural principle against beards. The CO pointed out to them that in the US that - and I am quoting here, "it's just not done". The CO then tells us in his talk that now this brother could have insisted on his right to wear a beard. He didn't have to comply, but then he wouldn't be used. Would this brother insist on his rights or was he more interested in being faithful? The CO was happy to report that on his next visit that this brother was clean shaven and an examplary elder. This was an example on how to remain faithful.

  I was stunned. The CO admitted that the only reason that beards aren't allowed is because "it's just not done". While he was trying to impress upon everyone the importance of following direction, and I'm sure most in attendance fell for his little illustration, I saw the opposite. I saw that we were supposed to do what we were told even if there was no real good reason, only because "we said so". It was then that I started listening to the little voices in the back of my head that kept saying that something was wrong but till then I had ignored. It was only a matter of time from that point on till I realized I had been fooled for years.
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  Local Elder Comes By My Work & He Left Looking Discouraged!

  by minimus in

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  an elder that lives in the same area as my work came by and noticed i was waiting on customers.

  he left and waited for them to leave.

  then he came back in.

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  It'll probably all catch up to me sooner or later.

  I sense that maybe you are spoiling for a fight. You're giving enough info that if this site is monitored by anyone who knows you, you will be busted. You want to fade, but at the same time you want confrontation.

  It's a tough thing to want to slide into obscurity but at the same time get your licks in before you leave. If you get your say, you can forget obscurity, they'll make an example out of you. If you manage a quiet fade, then you never get to say what you really think about the WTS and it's effect on you.

  That's how I feel. One day, I just want to fade out and be forgotten, the next day I would welcome a JC so I could blast em good before I left. I guess that's normal things to go through when recovering from such a high-control group.
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  Why do men "play" dumb?

  by Netty in

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  so i am here this morning with my octopus arms, making the kids breakfast with one hand, getting them dressed with the other, doing their hair with another hand brushing their teeth with another hand, etc.

  you get the picture... while my husband sits at the table reading the newspaper.

  both kids are complaining of sore throat and have some sort of summer cold, so i asked hime could you please get the medicine and give them some medicine, and what does he do?

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  I don't understand. What's the problem?
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  Local Elder Comes By My Work & He Left Looking Discouraged!

  by minimus in

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  an elder that lives in the same area as my work came by and noticed i was waiting on customers.

  he left and waited for them to leave.

  then he came back in.

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  These type visits boil down to partly two things; 1. they care, but don't know what to do and 2. their trying to ease their own guilt for not coming to their brother's aid.

  In their minds(not hearts) they think they are doing the right thing, but they usually fail and have to justify to themselves that at least they tried. Now they can feel less guilty that they have failed to try to help a lost "brother".

  If he, and all JWs, weren't so cold-hearted, a common ground could be found and shared. Not that that will ever happen. The WTS keeps the fear of opposers and "weak" ones strong in their followers. Instead of feeling love for people as the Bible says Jesus taught, the WTS instills fear and loathing.

  I bet a small part of him really cared about you and wanted to do something, anything. That was coming from his heart. Unfortunately, the WTS has poisoned his brain to override his heart and that thinking took over and botched the whole visit.
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  Opinions on a letter i am sending my family

  by jaredg in

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  hey guys.

  both my mom, dad and sister have asked me to write them with my reasons and concerns for leaving the wts.

  this is what i wrote them.

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  http://quotes.watchtower.ca/prophet.htm
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  Mother Denies JW Son Could Be Murderer

  by Kenneson in

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  the deaths of the meza family have made front page news in their native nicaragua.

  the mother of denis meza and the mother of marbely meza have argued as to who was responsible for the deaths.

  denis mother claims that her son couldn't have killed his family "because he was a member of the jehovah's witnesses church.

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  Denis Meza's mother told the newspaper her son couldn't have killed his family because he was a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses church.

  Naw, JWs aren't capable of murder. They're only capable of sexually molesting children.
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  As a JW, Did You Ever Look DownOn Other Witnesses???

  by minimus in

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  and were you ever looked down upon?

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  I hate to admit it, but, yes I did. I might have claimed righteous indignation over supposed JWs who's conduct could possibly give Jesus, Jehovah, the WTS a bad reputation, but it was actually jealousy. Jealous that these so-called Christians JWs could live their life as they saw fit, but I, the ever faithful JW, was denied the fun and experience they had because I adhered to Bible principles corporate policy.