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  JAN 2015 Awake - Yet More Fallacies and Disingenuous Statements re Evolution/Creation

  by konceptual99 in

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  2. beliefs

  so the new awake is up.. first question..... "how did life begin?.

  how would you complete the following sentance?.

  life is the result of..... a. evolution.

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  "For example, the Bible does not support creationism. It does not state that the earth was created in six literal 24-hour days"

  Ah, good ole WT juke and jive. They try so hard to distance themselves from loopy creationists who believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old, yet per their still official (never recanted in print) doctrine, each creative day is 7000 years each.

  Exodus 20:11 says that the heavens and earth were created in six days. If each creative day is 7,000 years each per WT dogma, the heavens and earth would be less than 50,000 years old.

  The difference between 6000 and 50000 is miniscule when comparing 6000 or 50000 vs 13.8 billion. They don't want to be lumped in with creationists, yet they are exactly that.
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  Awake January 2015: How did life begin? - More misquotes

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  [quote]some might assume that a scientifically-minded person would pick evolution and that a religious person would pick creation.

  but not always.. rama singh, professor of biology at canadas mcmaster university, says: the opposition to evolution goes beyond religious fundamentalism and includes a great many people from educated sections of the population.[/quote].

  end-of-quote in awake.

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  marked

  I'd be interested to see if he responds, and shared here
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  Service meeting video....what a non-event

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  at our service meeting we saw the video of a jw explaining his beliefs about 1914.. it was.....well, "underwhelming" does not do it justice.

  what is below "underwhelming"?

  "boringly tepid"?.

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  how do you continue as an elder? You certainly are not misled and I understand the family situation, but how can you continue as an elder knowing what you know?

  You heard of the French Resistance during WWII, right? Though occupied by the Nazis, many French continued their daily lives, making a show of obeying their new rulers, while behind the scenes working with the Allies to disrupt anything Nazi related. Some were armed and ready to fight, while others were more of an underground press, distributing news and creating passage for people to escape the Nazis.

  While up front guerrilla warfare is pointless with the WTS, an underground free press, so to speak, as provider of accurate information about the enemy, can help people tunnel their way free of the oppressors. Even if it's only to free your immediate family, it may well be worth the effort to stay underground, working against the WTS' efforts to rule your family.
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  Purging and letting go of the past

  by Skinnedsheep in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my wife and i decided that today would be the day that we would let go of the past.

  we collected all of our watchtower published books and brochures and threw them out.

  it was honestly bitter sweet to toss our old pioneer books, marked up insight books, and notes from 25 years of conventions.

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  Got rid of all the books, but wish I had kept a few of them, just to throw stupid JW failed chronology in some faces. But, otoh, I've picked up a ton of library space for more interesting material, that I'm not ashamed to be seen by visitors.

  It takes time, but eventually your new, free, life style eclipses the old JW life. I don't miss the people, don't miss the very, very, few good times. It was all fake anyway. You were only accepted as long as you obeyed and remained loyal to the organization.
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  news item...9 yr old baptised

  by returnvisit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  grrrrrrrrrrrrr!.

  check out website for dunedin, nzs newspaper www.odt.co.nz re the 9yr old that got baptised at the convention in dunedin this last weekend... can't you just hear everyone there gushing about it??.

  as i said grrrrrrrrrrrrr .

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  Inconsistency in JW logic:

  When dub kids become teenagers, they're pressured to get baptized. Not as adults, not in high school, but before they get their driver's license. When you listen to the speaker at the dedication talk, he will invariably tell the audience that this is the single most important decision a person will make in their life. And on that odd occasion when some little precocious brat gets baptized, everyone just carries on as if it were Jesus himself...oh wait... he was 30. Nevermind.

  But when that same 13 year old that was pressured to get baptized decides to get married at age 18, every JW adult in the county tells them they're too young to make that kind of decision.

  So, which is it? You're mature enough at 13 to make the most important decision of your life, or you're not. If you were praised for making the right decision at 13, shouldn't you be trusted to make an informed decision 5 years more mature and wiser?
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  Convention new book reveals "GROUP 2" of the 1914 generation...the horror.

  by Witness 007 in

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  2. experiences

  gods kingdom rules!

  the convention book released yesterday....say hi to group 2 of the 1914 generation!!

  a graph shows group 1 being fred franz john barr etc...with a group 2 consisting of the current young faithful slaves we "met" the "group ones.

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  The subliminal message is just as bad as the obvious one...

  Note how the groups mostly overlap. The 'newer' group is shown coming on the scene not that much behind 1914. The distance between the end of the first group, and the second group crossing the line is not that far apart.

  Considering that the 1914 generation was basically rendered gone by the first of the century, then the scale of this graph gives the subliminal message that the end is very close.
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  A question for my friends in the USA about cowboys.

  by punkofnice in

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  2. current

  as a kid growing up in the uk we used to play 'cowboys and indians' and watch high chaparal and bonanza along with other cowboy films.

  later, in the 70's kung fu would be shown with caine going through the 'old west'.

  we even had a chocolate bar that was marketed with a 'cowboy' theme...milky bar.. as far as i know the 'wild west' as shown on tvdidn't actually exist.. are there people that believe it did?.

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  Don't forget the oulaw 'Cowboys' of Arizona during the Wyatt Earp years...

  The movies about Earps/Tombstone/etc make for good theater, but really gloss over a lot of the background and politics of the Earp/Clanton fight. The real story is actually more fascinating than just the shootout at OK Corral

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cowboys_(Cochise_County)
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  Why I Refuse to Accept the term APOSTATE

  by Black Man in

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  2. friends

  been going back in forth with my mom (who is a longtime pioneer and dyed-in-the-wool jw) about the term apostate.

  she has labeled me one because of my fading and because i stopped attending meetings a few years ago.

  i told her that i refuse to accept the term apostate because its a lazy way for the wts to not deal with dissenters and address why people are leaving this organization in droves.

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  ...their [response] is to embrace the philosophy of a 4-year old and resort to name calling.

  Not only are they 'babes as to badness', they're babes in rational thought and independent thinking. What they think, what they believe, is spelled out for them. They don't have to think about it, so they rarely do. And when someone challenges their belief system, they resort to the language and reasoning of the WTS, as it has been pounded in their brains for years and years.
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  Please Give Me Your Thoughts On Unusual Elderly Behavior....(thanks)

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  my girlfriend's dad who is 82 lost his second wife to cancer last october.

  while she was dying, he secretly was seeing another woman, in her 60s.

  long story short, a month after the wife's death, they both moved in together and in early june , they secretly got married.

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  Does the gentleman have money? My first impression was that the new girlfriend is a golddigger and is looking to alienate him from family, angling for his entire estate upon his death. The only thing that puts a hole in that theory is that he is improving his health by losing weight and cutting back on drinking.
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  Has Anything Changed In JW Understanding Since The Annual Meeting?

  by minimus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i haven't been here much within the last week.

  is there anything new in watchtower world?.

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  Preaching in Israel is supposed to serve what purpose??

  Sends a message to Hamas, that if they don't settle down, then dubs will start setting up their literature carts in their tunnels