Posts by sosoconfused

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The Governing Body scenario is nearly identical to that in 1977 - no power

by Dogpatch in

12 years ago

the watchtower perposely keeps its leaders "cordoned off" for a reason.

the ones really in charge want to be invisible and have been in control since knorr's day, and still think like him.

the gb want like hell to be visible and powerful.

11 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

As it stands now all the prominent faces and figures of the Watchtower are dead.

Franz the "oracle"

Sydlik "the Voice"

etc... etc... etc...

These guys had charisma and everyone did tend to know these individuals and looked forward to them on the local level. People actually knew who these men were and they cared. Nowadays even faithful brothers barely know who is on the governing body and they do not care to know. Most people under the age of 60 are just going through the motions and following along with the tradition of the family.

New members really view the kingdom Hall as more of a local church family that happens to have other branches worldwide. Doesn't seem to have that same "international brotherhood" feeling the org once did. Its like a bunchof nation states instead of the theocratic empire it once was.

The GB has a huge amount of authority but no one knows who these guys are or even cares to know anymore.

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WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations

by flipper in

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12 years ago

however- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.

just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.

to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .

11 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

Can't belileve I never saw this thread.

My father came in the or in 1967 and met my mom in 1968, she had been baptized 9 years earlier. They toold me that in 68 - 69 is when most of the hype started. They had the first child in 69 the second in 72. My dad related that the brothers actually counselled him on having children this cose to Armageddon. How it showed his lack of faith in the fact the system was suppose to end shortly... So they ceased having anymore kids... He quit his job and started pioneering in 73 and worked part time. They decided to move to seldom - worked territory in the south. As 75 approached he said that the brothers in the hall did exactly as the KM stated. However he said many bought big homes the could not afford and cars as well and blew their savings pbecause they said they will have no need for their money in the new system so they might as well spend it all now.

However they were flat broke and struggling with two kids but felt it didn't matter because shortly it would all be over. He said as the date came and went two brothers he knew commited suicide. No reason as to why but financial issues.

He found himself without enough work for his family. Because they could not afford birth control they ended up having me. not long after. He was already in his mid thirties and had nothing... So he decided to start trying to build himself a career. It was to late. So he was stuck with manual labor jobs never making it past supervisor.

However after the next breath he tells me it wasnt the society's fault... it was the brothers who ran ahead ...

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Elders school...

by snare&racket in

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12 years ago

anyone have any news about the recent elders school?

apparantly the message was 'let's tone down the cold hearted shit'...... .

any ideas anyone?.

12 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

I went to the week long one about a year and a half ago... it was alot of being nice to the friends - but in the next breath there was all the heavy handed crap after the point was made to be nice. Same old shift

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For Those who believe the Bible is truly the word of God

by sosoconfused in

12 years ago

what exactly is the reason?.

i am not an athiest or agnostic... i definately believe in god.

however i would honestly like to hear others explain to me why they believe the bible is truly the word of god.. .

12 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

@cofty - this is my point. it seems like the same circular reasoning of the WTBTS.

The bible says that the bible is from God so therefore the bible is from god.

The audacity to suppose that God for some reason only chose these few people on the planet to carry his truth while ignoreing the other 95% for years just seems terrible.

If you can look at other books that have the same thoughts and reasonings and just suppose that they are false but the bible isn't seems so ridiculous at times

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Are there people who have returned

by His Excellency in

jw
friends

12 years ago

considering all the consequences of leaving the organization (especially the loss of family), some who have already known ttat have decided to return and continue with the flow just to keep their families and friend.. my question is if anyone here had tried it and how they have been managing living a lie constantly day-after-day?, as i am seriously considering returnning back to the full routine..

12 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

You will return if you want... you will never be the same. You will feel disgusted with yourself.

But you may be able to deal with that disgust and bear it.

You can not unlearn the Truth about the Truth...

Your prayers change

Your thinknig process changes

Your goals change.

You can ignore those feelings for awhile, but eventually they will plague you.

How will you return fully to a routine that you know is based on falsehood? You might do it physically, but emotionally and spiritually you will not be there

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Slowly Awakening at the DC 2013

by breakfast of champions in

12 years ago

so after the district convention was over, i asked my wife what her overall impression was.

she said, "maybe something has changed, or maybe it's your influence that i see things differently now, but a lot of those talks sounded more threatening than anything.

not loving, not really hopeful, just threatening.

12 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

Congrats bro... sounds eerily similar to my wife once she really started to accept that things are not what they seem.

Sounds like a major turning point.

First the get angry

Then they get silent

Next they ask Questions

Followed with realization

Lastly... they are ready to go.

Once again let's hope for the best

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For Those who believe the Bible is truly the word of God

by sosoconfused in

12 years ago

what exactly is the reason?.

i am not an athiest or agnostic... i definately believe in god.

however i would honestly like to hear others explain to me why they believe the bible is truly the word of god.. .

12 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

What exactly is the reason?

I am not an athiest or agnostic... I definately believe in God. However I would honestly like to hear others explain to me why they believe the bible is truly the word of God.

Also, what about other religious books, do you likewise feel they are inspired by God, and if not why?

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DATING THE BOOK OF REVELATION - new article

by EdenOne in

12 years ago

just published another article on my website.

i promised i would make a more complete study on dating the book of revelation.

as a result i published the article: dating revelation - solely with internal evidence from the new testament.

12 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

Not to be funny but how is the book of revelation truly prophetic if none of the things prophesied are really understood or have been fulfilled?

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Arguments in favor of the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 BCE

by TJ Curioso in

12 years ago

i received the following explanation in favor of the date of 607 bce.

accepted comments on the points at issue.. .

conclusion.

12 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

The problem is that even if you had proof to the contrary which is tons of archaeological evidence - it won't matter to someone who thinks that the bible is 100% correct. There is no middle ground. If you had a stone tablet unearthed from Babylon that said "Although you think this happened in 607 it didn't! It happened last year in 587 so your bible is wrong" They still would not believe you... The best thing to do is just leave them alone and tell them that WTBTS said that dressing your Cat up like a human is tantamount to idolatry and false worship. Pray to god they are an animal lover and maybe their own emotions will appeal to them

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Arguments in favor of the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 BCE

by TJ Curioso in

12 years ago

i received the following explanation in favor of the date of 607 bce.

accepted comments on the points at issue.. .

conclusion.

12 years ago

sosoconfused 12 years ago

Using Bible prophecy as the basis for thousands of pieces of Evidence being wrong is not the way to go

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