Posts by sosoconfused

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I just had a thought that made me feel so much better about this fade...

by sosoconfused in

jw
friends

this is not monumental... i am sure all of you think it all the time.. but as a 3rd gen born-in ex-elder ex-pioneer ex-bethelite i spent so much time in this relion believing that for some reason that god, who loves all humans and created all things only wanted a few people to get knowledge of him - and this small group in america was his choice.. .

now as i said i am sure 99% of you probably came to that realization before and it is common sense, but the very fact that as a grown man i never really thought about this for more than 15 seconds.

the whole idea is just ridiculous and freaking stupid.

sosoconfused

I am checking that book out now as a matter of fact.

I am almost afraid to open it LOL

Chopsticks LOL

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I just had a thought that made me feel so much better about this fade...

by sosoconfused in

jw
friends

this is not monumental... i am sure all of you think it all the time.. but as a 3rd gen born-in ex-elder ex-pioneer ex-bethelite i spent so much time in this relion believing that for some reason that god, who loves all humans and created all things only wanted a few people to get knowledge of him - and this small group in america was his choice.. .

now as i said i am sure 99% of you probably came to that realization before and it is common sense, but the very fact that as a grown man i never really thought about this for more than 15 seconds.

the whole idea is just ridiculous and freaking stupid.

sosoconfused

THanks both of you... it is so funny that one day you can feel so free and then all of a sudden you feel like crap.

One thing i must admit is beginning to settle with me though is that people who are not part of this group are so more genuine then JW's.

I have kids who in 8 years of life never get invited anywhere, or they are treated like crap. I move to a new neighborhood and the "WORLDLY" people come by to ask me if I want to go to the park with them. WTF!

I thought all they did was smoke / drink and fornicate all day long and eat peoples bone LOL.

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I just had a thought that made me feel so much better about this fade...

by sosoconfused in

jw
friends

this is not monumental... i am sure all of you think it all the time.. but as a 3rd gen born-in ex-elder ex-pioneer ex-bethelite i spent so much time in this relion believing that for some reason that god, who loves all humans and created all things only wanted a few people to get knowledge of him - and this small group in america was his choice.. .

now as i said i am sure 99% of you probably came to that realization before and it is common sense, but the very fact that as a grown man i never really thought about this for more than 15 seconds.

the whole idea is just ridiculous and freaking stupid.

sosoconfused

This is not monumental... I am sure all of you think it all the time.

But as a 3rd gen born-in ex-elder ex-pioneer ex-bethelite I spent so much time in this relion believing that for some reason that GOD, who loves all humans and created all things only wanted a few people to get knowledge of him - and this small group in America was his choice.

Now as i said I am sure 99% of you probably came to that realization before and it is common sense, but the very fact that as a grown man I never really thought about this for more than 15 seconds. The whole idea is just ridiculous and freaking stupid. I am so frakin mad right now that I just want to start punching puppies in the stomach.

However I do know that sometime between now and the next 2 hours I am going to feel bad again as if I have left Jehovah by having these thoughts. The lasting effects of these teachings hurt so freaking bad.

Not to mention that I still feel that I can't achieve anything... its as if as soon as I start being successful I feel bad and I reject it.

NOT FOR MY CHILDREN HOWEVER... NOT FOR MY CHILDREN

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The Watchtower Study At A Glance. What's "Christian Activity"?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

january 13, 213 magazine focus is avoding anything that could lessen your "christian activity".

what is christian activity used in every other paragraph?

witnesses are told in a subtle way, if their jobs are high paying they probably are not doing things jehovah's ways.

sosoconfused

Lots of good info guys, but on a muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch lighter note.

WHy does page 13 have a family of people at the beach playing some form of stickball yet they are all wearing khaki pants and long sleeve shirts. You realize that now peopple are going to start using this picture as a gauge for how we should dress even at the beach LOL.

THis stuff is just freaking foolish man.

They are literally at the beach... playing stickball.... in long sleeve meeting shirts and khakis...

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How do I tell my husband?

by dissonance_resolved in

i'm a born in, baptized as a young teenager, whole family is jw.

i just recently woke up after the new understanding of the fds was announced and it seemed to me to smack of power-grabbing.

i started looking at all the websites we're not supposed to, and now i know why.

sosoconfused

I like the point comatose brought out about, "What are his hot buttons?" .

With my wife I discussed things like "yelling when a rapist has a gun to your head or IVF fiasco or not helping charities etc...

Doctrinal matters mean nothing to her... but day to day life issues bother her greatly like most women(that may be a bad generalization... sorry in advance).

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SoCF chapter 17 ...

by sosoconfused in

i think this passage sums things up for me in a way that my own words never could.

as i started my exodus and began to see how we were all forced to fit into this wierd bubble of conformity - i began to get ill and feel that anything i did or wanted outside of the rank and file view was just evil.... .

but these words as i read them sum things up in a way i think most people looking at leaving feel:.

sosoconfused

I think this passage sums things up for me in a way that my own words never could. As I started my exodus and began to see how we were all forced to fit into this wierd bubble of conformity - I began to get ill and feel that anything I did or wanted outside of the Rank and File view was just evil...

But these words as i read them sum things up in a way I think most people looking at leaving feel:

" the freedom to be the person we truly desire to be, strive to be, a person who reflects the life of the One each of us follows, though expressed individually as the unique personalities we are. Paul was not a Peter, and Peter was not a John, nor was Mary a Priscilla, or Priscilla a Dorcas. Yet each reflected in his or her life the teach- ings and qualities and spirit of the one they followed, the one in whom they placed faith as the Son of God. There is a beauty to such indi- viduality, a beauty that imposed conformity and rigid uniformity, with their depersonalizing—and sometimes dehumanizing—effect smother and suppress. Rather than being like “peas in a pod,” people can be like flowers in a garden, distinctive, variegated, even contrasting, yet neither weedlike, ugly nor ill-smelling, and all blending together to contribute to the loveliness of the garden as a whole"

Something about the words above just really really really touch me

Just wanted to share a moment

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How do I tell my husband?

by dissonance_resolved in

i'm a born in, baptized as a young teenager, whole family is jw.

i just recently woke up after the new understanding of the fds was announced and it seemed to me to smack of power-grabbing.

i started looking at all the websites we're not supposed to, and now i know why.

sosoconfused

Like Billy said, do not rush this.

Not to long ago I came to the similar conclusion as you that this was not working for me. I was the school overseer / born-in / 3rd generation. THe first week I bombarded her with info and she almost lost it... she cried / got scared / etc...

The few days following were awful and uncomfortable. After a week of not talking about it - she started to out of nowhere discuss her issues and what she thought was wrong. 3 months later she always discusses issues she doesn't like - she is breaking free of the mind control and just last night she decided that she still wants to go a little while longer for the kids UNTIL THEY MAKE MORE FRIENDS AT SCHOOL AND ELSEWHERE.

Then she wants to reconsider just leaving things alone. So I would suggest just take it slow, afterall you have no right to force an exit on him.

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nightmare about saran wrapped roast beef

by sosoconfused in

just had a flashback of my mother forcing me to eat a rotten roast beef sandwich at the district convention.. i remember her telling me jehovah would not provide us with bad food and how ungrateful i was.

she literally told me if i wasted jehovahs provisions she would "slap my face off"..... for the love of god a roast beef sandwich sitting out in the hot yankee stadium sun all day... i really wonder what could cause someone to be so insane.

sosoconfused

I threw up later and we all acted like it never happened lol

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nightmare about saran wrapped roast beef

by sosoconfused in

just had a flashback of my mother forcing me to eat a rotten roast beef sandwich at the district convention.. i remember her telling me jehovah would not provide us with bad food and how ungrateful i was.

she literally told me if i wasted jehovahs provisions she would "slap my face off"..... for the love of god a roast beef sandwich sitting out in the hot yankee stadium sun all day... i really wonder what could cause someone to be so insane.

sosoconfused

just had a flashback of my mother forcing me to eat a rotten roast beef sandwich at the district convention.

I remember her telling me Jehovah would not provide us with bad food and how ungrateful I was. She literally told me if I wasted jehovahs provisions she would "slap my face off"....

for the love of god a roast beef sandwich sitting out in the hot Yankee stadium sun all day... I really wonder what could cause someone to be so insane

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How to use disfellowshipping as a way to bring them to the light

by sosoconfused in

so after i stepped down and began to be the cynical young angry ex-elder in the hall a few brothers decided to have a surprise shepherding call.. they asked me what had me down, i said nothing.

i am actually very happy right now.

then one brother says, "i think you are forgetting what makes us so special in the first place... we obey god as ruler... rather then men.

sosoconfused

SO after I stepped down and began to be the cynical young angry ex-elder in the hall a few brothers decided to have a surprise shepherding call.

They asked me what had me down, I said nothing. I am actually very happy right now. Then one brother says, "I think you are forgetting what makes us so special in the first place... we obey GOD as ruler... rather then men. " He said it in that elder tone that I use to use when driving home a point. He went on to explain that other groups set aside GODS laws in order to abide by HUMAN thoughts and LAWS.

So I said, You really think we are special and that we do that?" Then I began to give him an illustration.

let's say my 13 year old son got baptized and then got disfellowshipped. Would I have to totally desert him. The elder says, "Of course, not! We lovingly understand that doing that to a minor would bring great trouble in the family. As well as cause legal trouble. The way we handle disfellowshipping for younger ones is far more loving..."

So i said, "Nowhere in the bible does it show we should defferentiate for a minor. As a matter of fact the term minor is in place by governments. JEHOVAH CALLED DOWN A SHEBEAR TO DESTROY 8 and 9 year old kids for disrespecting his prophets. Jehovah is consistent.

However disfellowshipping which isnt truly biblical anyway has conditions based upon the laws of man not because of love but because we are scared of the legal ramifications... brother we arent really different are we????

Jehovah put laws in place regardless of age... we use governmental terms to decide how we will operate in the congregation... just like any other church.

The younger elder kept at it... the older brother who I served with just kept looking at me with an empty gaze shaking his head yes as I explained it... I thnk he gets it!