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  What book are you reading now?

  by ozziepost in

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  2. friends

  from time to time we like to share some good reads with each other on jwd, and now might be a good time to share with you what i'm reading this week.

  it's "the gate" by francois bizot which tells of his experiences as the only western prisoner to survive the khmer rouge in cambodia.

  in 1971, on a routine outing through the cambodian countryside, the young french ethnologist francois bizot is captured by the khmer rouge.

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  Creation (1927) by Judge J. F. Rutherford

  --VM44
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  Who wrote the Appendix to Chapter 14 in "Let Your Kingdom Come"?

  by VM44 in

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  does anyone know who did the research and wrote the "appendix to chapter 14" in the book, let your kingdom come?.

  this is the only place where the wts tried to refute the research coj published in his book, the gentile times reconsidered.. coj's book is not mentioned directly in the appendix!

  obvioiusly, as the wt would prefer that people not even know coj's book exists!.

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  Hi RR,

  You are right, COJ sent Brooklyn the manuscript of his research sometime in the late 70s, or very early 80s.

  The Watchtower does NOT want people to do research in Biblical chronology, and they came down hard on him.

  Lloyd Barry is said to have written the main text of the Kingdom Come book, but someone else has been said to have written the Appendix. I am curious what background the author of the Appendex has.

  --VM44
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  Who wrote the Appendix to Chapter 14 in "Let Your Kingdom Come"?

  by VM44 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone know who did the research and wrote the "appendix to chapter 14" in the book, let your kingdom come?.

  this is the only place where the wts tried to refute the research coj published in his book, the gentile times reconsidered.. coj's book is not mentioned directly in the appendix!

  obvioiusly, as the wt would prefer that people not even know coj's book exists!.

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  Does anyone know who did the research and wrote the "Appendix to Chapter 14" in the book, Let Your Kingdom Come?

  This is the only place where the WTS tried to refute the research COJ published in his book, The Gentile Times Reconsidered.

  COJ's book is NOT mentioned directly in the Appendix! Obvioiusly, as the WT would prefer that people not even know COJ's book exists!

  --VM44
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  Another example of WTS anthropology - The Flood and racial differences

  by Pole in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is another paradox resulting from the wts stand on the flood:

  1. jws seriously believe in 2370 bc as the date of the flood

  2. they also believe that by the 1st century ad racial differences had been well developed (i mean differences in the outward appearance of course, and not their early racist views for instance).

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  I highly doubt a Koala bear (or a few hundred of them) would swim across an ocean to get to Australia

  The Watchtower (or it might have been an Awake!) had an answer for this....land bridges, which have since sunk below the sea waters.

  Ah, it is so easy to speculate about biological/geological/physical matters when they just sit at their desks and write about what they know not.

  No wonder the WT once wrote that "it is not necessary for one to do heavy research, there are brothers at Bethel who do the research for you"!

  Yeah, who wants to trust one-sided, incomplete, inaccurate research done only with a view to promote Watchtower propaganda?

  --VM44
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  Pyramids vs the Flood

  by ezekiel3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  historians and scientists agree: the egyptian pyramids were built between 2500 - 2100 bc.

  we even have some astronomical evendence that this is true: http://www.robertbauval.com/articles/gpdating.html.

  jws teach that:the flood occured at 2370 bcestimates that the tower of babel was constructed around 2189 bcjoseph was sold into slavery 1750 bc (eventually to eygpt, already established as a world power).

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  "the carefulness, truthfulness, and moral integrity of the Egyptian scribes Watchtower Writers are by no means above suspicion"

  --VM44
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  Interview with Mark Palo: molested by GB member

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  interview with mark palo: molested by gb member.

  okay my friends, here we go with another blockbuster on the sexual indecencies that the watchtower big boys have covered up for years.

  thanks also to kent for his pages, check these out:.

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  Some reports have stated Greenless was sent to a congregation far away from Bethel, San Diego being one place mentioned.

  Checking the Social Security records, we find:

  Leo K. Greenless,

  Born 06 Jun 1911, Died 17 Feb 1988, Last Residence Zip Code 11201, (Brooklyn, Kings, NY) Social Security No. 081-44-5620

  Did he move back to Brooklyn? Or did he never inform Social Security of his new address?

  He was removed from the Governing Body in 1985, at age 74, well past retirement age, did he collect Social Security? If not, that would explain why SS records would not have his last address.

  And, if he didn't collect Social Security, what was his source of income? The Governing Body Pension Plan?

  --VM44
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  How does Jehovah's direction differ from pulling it out of your *ss

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the doctor examines the patient and prescribes a powerfully effective medicine.. the pharmacist dispenses the medication according to the prescription.. the patient takes the medicine according to the label directions.. the above is a three step process.

  easy analogy to understand.

  we've all had to visit the doctor and get medicine at one time or another.. now i want to examine this process and use the analogy as a model for understanding how the governing body dispenses "truth" from jehovah to the congregations of jehovah's witnesses as his mouthpiece and "prophetic" voice.. in the 1950's doctors began prescribing a medicine called thalidomide.

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  hi Satanus,

  When i read in ray franz' book how his uncle freddy controled the gb meetings

  Where was that mentioned? In CoC?

  --VM44
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  Judge Rutherford's Publications

  by VM44 in

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  ?judge?

  rutherford?s publications (incomplete)

  from: http://www.freeminds.org/sales/wtpubs.htm

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  Why, you might ask, did I list the "Judge's" books and booklets?

  To show the vast output of material bearing his name.

  In some years he wrote over a 1000 pages of material.

  Some have said he had ghostwriters to help him, Fred Franz being one of them.

  The question is, did Rutherford truly believe what he wrote? or was he a con man 100 per cent through and through?

  --VM44
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  Judge Rutherford's Publications

  by VM44 in

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  ?judge?

  rutherford?s publications (incomplete)

  from: http://www.freeminds.org/sales/wtpubs.htm

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  ?Judge? Rutherford?s Publications (Incomplete)

  From: http://www.freeminds.org/sales/wtpubs.htm

  1906

  • 1906 Man's Salvation From a Lawyer's Viewpoint Joseph Franklin Rutherford 96 pages. NOTE: This was Rutherford's first book for the WTBTS. Notice it's from a LAWYER'S, not a JUDGE'S viewpoint

  1915

  • 1915 A Great Battle In the Ecclesiastical Heavens Joseph Franklin Rutherford, 64 pages

  1920

  • 1920 Can the Living Talk With the Dead? J. F. Rutherford 160 pages
  • 1920 Millions Now Living Will Never Die J. F. Rutherford 128 pages
  • 1920 Tabernacle Shadows of the Better Sacrifices 192 pages, revised edition
  • 1920 Talking With the Dead J. F. Rutherford, 160 pages
  • 1920 The Bible on Our Lord's Return J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages

  1921

  • 1921 The Bible On Hell J. F. Rutherford, 82 pages
  • 1921 The Harp Of God J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, available in green, grey-blue and red hardbound standard-size editions, green hardbound pocket edition, and green hardbound library edition with dull finish paper

  1922

  • 1922 The Bible On Our Lord's Return J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages, reissue

  1923

  • 1923 World Distress Why? The Remedy J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages

  1924

  • 1924 The Harp Of God J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, reissue, also sold in 1924 as a Memorial Edition
  • 1924 A Desirable Government J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages
  • 1924 Hell - What Is It - Who Are There - Can They Get Out? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages

  1925

  • 1925 Comfort For the Jews J. F. Rutherford, 128 pages
  • 1925 The Harp Of God 384 pages, reissue
  • 1925 Comfort for the People J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages
  • 1925 Our Lord's Return J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages

  1926

  • 1926 Deliverance J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, hardcover available with large gold cover illustration, small embossed cover illustration, small plain cover illustration, and paperback
  • 1926 The Harp Of God 384 pages, reissue
  • 1926 The Standard for the People J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages

  1927

  • 1927 Creation J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages
  • 1927 Restoration J. F. Rutherford, 128 pages
  • 1927 The Harp Of God 384 pages book, reissue
  • 1927 Freedom for the Peoples J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages, also produced as a revised 1927 edition
  • 1927 Where Are the Dead? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages

  1928

  • 1928 Government J. F. Rutherford, 368 pages. This was the first in a series of books produced with an "Author's Edition" in its first printing. These special editions, which were handed out at the conventions where the book was first released had a letter from Rutherford reproduced on the page preceeding the title page
  • 1928 Prosperity Sure J. F. Rutherford, 128 pages
  • 1928 Reconcilliation (J. F. Rutherford, 368 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government
  • 1928 The Harp Of God J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, revised edition
  • 1928 The Last Days J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages
  • 1928 The People's Friend J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages

  1929

  • 1929 Life J. F. Rutherford, 368 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government
  • 1929 Prophecy J. F. Rutherford, 358 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government
  • 1929 Judgement J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages
  • 1929 Oppression When Will It End? (J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages booklet, 1929
  • 1929 Our Lord's Return J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages, reissue

  1930

  • 1930 Light Book I J. F. Rutherford, 350 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [lt-1]
  • 1930 Light Book II J. F. Rutherford, 352 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [lt-2]
  • 1930 Crimes and Calamities The Cause The Remedy J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [cc]
  • 1930 Hell - What Is It - Who Are There - Can They Get Out? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages, revised
  • 1930 Prohibition and the League of Nations J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [ph]
  • 1930 War or Peace Which? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [wp]

  1931

  • 1931 Vindication I J. F. Rutherford, 350 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government. This book was also printed as "Vindication," without the Roman numeral "I". [v-1]
  • 1931 Heaven and Purgatory J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [he]
  • 1931 The Kingdom - The Hope Of the World J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [kw]

  1932

  • 1932 Preservation J. F. Rutherford, 352 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [pr32]
  • 1932 Vindication II J. F. Rutherford, 350 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [v-2]
  • 1932 Vindication III J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [v-3]
  • 1932 Cause of Death J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [de]
  • 1932 Good News J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [nw]
  • 1932 Health and Life J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [le32]
  • 1932 Hereafter J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [af]
  • 1932 Home and Happiness J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [ho]
  • 1932 Keys of Heaven J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [ke]
  • 1932 Liberty J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [lb]
  • 1932 The Final War J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [fw]
  • 1932 What Is Truth? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [tu]
  • 1932 What You Need J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [nd]
  • 1932 Where Are the Dead? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages, revised [wd]
  • 1932 Who Is God? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [gd]
  • circa 1932 Why Serve Jehovah? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages

  1933

  • 1933 Preparation J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [pp]
  • 1933 Dividing the People J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [dv]
  • 1933 Escape to the Kingdom J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [sk]
  • 1933 Intolerance (J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [in]
  • 1933 The Crisis J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [cs]

  1934

  • 1934 Jehovah J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [jh]
  • 1934 Angels J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [an]
  • 1934 Beyond the Grave J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [bg]
  • 1934 Favored People J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [fa]
  • 1934 His Vengeance J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [vn]
  • 1934 His Works J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [hs34]
  • 1934 Righteous Ruler J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [ri]
  • 1934 Supremacy J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [su34]
  • 1934 Truth - Shall It be Suppressed? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [tt]
  • 1934 Why Pray for Prosperity? J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages [py]
  • 1934 World Recovery J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [wo]

  1935

  • 1935 Government Hiding the Truth. Why? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [gm35]
  • 1935 Loyalty J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages [lo]
  • 1935 Universal War Near J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [wn]
  • 1935 Who Shall Rule the World? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [wh]

  1936

  • 1936 Riches J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [ch]
  • 1936 Choosing, Riches Or Ruin? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [cg]
  • 1936 Protection From Those Who Seek to Hurt or Destroy J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [pt]

  1937

  • 1937 Enemies J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [en]
  • 1937 Reconcilliation J. F. Rutherford, 368 pages, revised edition
  • 1937 The Harp Of God J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, reissue
  • 1937 Armageddon the Greatest Battle of All Time J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [ar]
  • 1937 Safety J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [sa]
  • 1937 Uncovered J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [co]

  1938

  • 1938 Cure J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages [cu]
  • 1938 Face the Facts J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [ff]
  • 1938 Warning J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [wa]

  1939

  • 1939 Creation J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, reissue
  • 1939 Salvation J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [s]
  • 1939 Facism Or Freedom J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [fm39]
  • 1939 Government and Peace J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [gp]
  • 1939 Neutrality J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages [ne]

  1940

  • 1940 Religion J. F. Rutherford, 384 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [rg]
  • 1940 The Harp Of God 384 pages, reissue. Note: This is the last time I know of that the WTBTS published the 1874 Advent date.
  • 1940 Conspiracy Against Democracy J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [dm]
  • 1940 End of Nazism J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages
  • 1940 Judge Rutherford Uncovers Fifth Column J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages [fc]
  • 1940 Refugees J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages [rf]
  • circa 1940 Religious Intolerance - Why? J. F. Rutherford, 64 pages
  • 1940 Satisfied J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages [se]

  1941

  • 1941 Comfort All That Mourn J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages, also printed with page 31 blank [cm]
  • 1941 End of Axis Powers J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages
  • 1941 God and the State J. F. Rutherford, 32 pages [gt41]
  • 1941 Children J. F. Rutherford's last book, 384 pages, first released as an "Author's Edition." See the explanation under the 1928 book Government [ci]
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  Russell NOT listed as author on his own book!

  by VM44 in

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  2. friends

  i have recently obtained a copy of studies in the scriptures, series vi, "the new creation".

  the copy i have is is very good condition.. opening it up, i see it is the 31,000 edition, 1905, and the publisher is listed as the watchtower bible and tract society of allegheny , pa.. but, charles taze russell name is absent on the title page!.

  going through the book i find nowhere russell's name mentioned, let alone as being the author of the book.

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  Hi RR,

  he requested that after his death that his name appear nowhere attached to his writings were they to be reprinted

  So this edition I have was anonymously published as per CTR request, but did they continue to omit Russell's name on all the editions published after Russell died?

  --VM44