Old Hippie,
You asked "And this is about...?"
It's the economy stupid!
(Sorry, didn't mean to call you stupid)
voltaire
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ENRICO FRASSINETTI is............. a "REAL...
by enricofrassinetti inyes dears all.. i have seen that beyond 300 views, has interested about my position.. i am an anointed member from 1998 of the congregation of the jehovah's witnesses .
only after many discussions with the elders, is comes my disfellowshipping, but "the truth" must to be continued inexorably.. sincerly.
enrico frassinetti
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Bible Prophecies?
by mindfield inno, i'm not getting any doubts that the bible is any more than what i believe it is... a myth.
however, i do have a particular question about one aspect that my jw uncle raised during one of our conversations: what about those so-called "prophecies"?
no, i'm not talking about the vague nostradamus-like "statue made of different kinds of crap".
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voltaire
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Isaiah's writings, the oldest available manuscripts anyway, are dated to about 300 years AFTER the events they record. The WT acknowledges this. Remember the old Live forever book? It explains that the oldest copies of Isaiah changed very little from the earliest copies (about 200 B.C.) to the masoretic text, which was about 1000 years later. They reason that if so little change took place during those 1000 years, it's logical that there was little or no change prior to the oldest known copies. That may or may not be so. Of course it doesn't take into account deliberate insertions or the theory that the book was written after the Babylonian exile. In other words, according to most scholars, the oldest copies around are pretty much the original versions and don't qualify as prophecy since they were written after the fact.
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Well here is quite the contrast.
by JeffT inthursday night my wife attended a class for the children's ministry at our church.
debbie directs the weekday preschool and also teaches kindergarten, as such she works very closely with the children's pastor.
he was in charge of that particular class.
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voltaire
Well, I for one am SHOCKED that a woman would talk to God in the presence of others! What next? Will they they be driving cars and wearing pants? I'm moving to SAUDI ARABIA where they really know how to treat women!!!!!!!
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Bethany Hughes Funeral
by Kenneson in'freedom fighter' buried.
hundreds pay tribute to jehovah teen who fought against blood transfusions.".
http://www.canoe.ca/calgarynews/cs.cs-09-13-0008.html
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voltaire
This leaves me with so many conflicting emotions/thoughts. I'm horrified that the poor gil was forced to take 38 transfusions against her will. We all know how we would have felt about that in the past, before our beliefs changed. In her mind, she was truly raped 38 times, and her own father approved of it. That must have been the most excruciating form of psychological torture imaginable.
On the other hand, as always, I'm outraged at the lies that the WT spreads that cause people to take their own lives. But, as Bethany said, Canada is a free country. If you want to die for your religious beliefs, you have that right. If citizens of a free country truly belief in the WT society, it seems we're treading on dangerous ground when we try to prohibit them.
I still feel that educating people about the unethical recruiting tactics used by the WT, along with their long history of false prophecies and policies that amount to spiritual abuse, is the only way to make a difference.
Ron
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DF and Tell? Or Not?
by dobby init occurred to me over the weekend that my husband and i are in a unique position.. we moved to a different state and congregation a year ago.
we made the mistake (at the time we were still trying to be good dubs) of attending the new congregation for a couple of months and sending for our publisher cards.
wish we would have just faded, oh well.. we have become inactive and the new congregation hasn't tried to track us down, i think because we were not there long enough to make friends, however that changed this weekend and sure enough we got a voice mail from an elder who claims we have been assigned to his book study.
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voltaire
If you move to another congregation, the new secretary will ask for a letter from your old hall (where you were disfellowshippped) You could have a friend pretend to be the secretary and send a letter of introduction, but it should be realistic.
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Why do elders not disfellowship inactive people?
by kenpodragon inwhen i left the religion, i walked away and did not get df'ed or da myself.
in doing so, my wife left the religion at the same time.
in our life we have been very nonwitness in our life.
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voltaire
Highlandyr,
You are my hero!
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My Brother Was Shunnued Thought He's Not DF!
by voltaire inmy brother is definitely a "bad example", he's going to college (gasp) and he has a beard (sort of, actually it's better to say that he shaves real infrequently, maybe once every two weeks!
) and he never goes to meetings, but he's not disfellowshipped.
he tells me he was with some college friends at a restaurant/coffee bar type place and a group of youths (i'm still stuck with jw terminology after all these years!
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voltaire
Amac,
Sounds like you were pretty cool, even back then.
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My Mom Won't Shun Me!
by voltaire ini feel a little guilty about this, because i know that so many of you have lost contact with your families, but i thought you might find it interesting that my mother has told me, via my father, that she won't shun me even if i'm df (which is a very real possibility).
i'm not coming out unscathed (does anybody?
) since my marriage is set to end in the next couple of weeks, but i'm so grateful that i'll still have my mom.
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voltaire
I feel a little guilty about this, because I know that so many of you have lost contact with your families, but I thought you might find it interesting that my mother has told me, via my father, that she won't shun me even if I'm DF (which is a very real possibility). I'm not coming out unscathed (does anybody?) since my marriage is set to end in the next couple of weeks, but I'm so grateful that I'll still have my mom.
I told the elders that I didn't believe in the WT's teachings anymore and they told me I'd be DF. That was the last straw in a series of efforts at coming to some kind of agreement with my wife over a four year period. I've been living on my own for over six months and she'e been back with her folks in another state. Everyone back in my hometown thinks I'm DF, which is a little strange. The hardest part about the breakup and admitting to the elders that I didn't believe in it anymore was worrying what my mom would think. I'm a real momma's boy and she's the sweetest, gentlest soul you'd ever hope to meet. As the title of the thread suggests, she seems to not be able to shun me. My dad says that she commented to him that family comes first! He seems to be thinking something like, "Duh, of course family comes first", but I've had to explain to him that it was far from a foregone conclusion. So I'm batting .500, my mom's with me, my wife's gone. If I had to lose one, I'd have picked it this way, hope that doesn't sound too hard-hearted of me.
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My Brother Was Shunnued Thought He's Not DF!
by voltaire inmy brother is definitely a "bad example", he's going to college (gasp) and he has a beard (sort of, actually it's better to say that he shaves real infrequently, maybe once every two weeks!
) and he never goes to meetings, but he's not disfellowshipped.
he tells me he was with some college friends at a restaurant/coffee bar type place and a group of youths (i'm still stuck with jw terminology after all these years!
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voltaire
My brother is definitely a "bad example", he's going to college (gasp) and he has a beard (sort of, actually it's better to say that he shaves REAL infrequently, maybe once every two weeks!) and he never goes to meetings, but he's NOT disfellowshipped. He tells me he was with some college friends at a restaurant/coffee bar type place and a group of youths (I'm still stuck with JW terminology after all these years!) was at a nearby table. They refused to make eye contact and walked by him without ackowledging him. He seems to have gotten quite a kick out of it, so I don't feel too bad for him ( Although there is a part of me that feels sad about it). They were just young people, so it's unlikely there's any secret WT directive that's gotten past us apostates, but I can't help but wonder if it doesn't reflect a shift JW thinking. Any similar stories out there?
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How to build a time machine?
by haujobbz infirst you need some anti-matter,if you can get enough of this in one place you should be able open a hole in space.
then 2 uncharged metal plates.
separate them in space to create a vacuum.
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voltaire
Sorry guys, but I already built one next year.