hi... i haven't been in the internet in such a long time, i just wanted to say thank you sooo much for your support on the recent events on my lawsuit.. i wanted to tell those who are interested that it is being appealed and it will take about a year for it to go to the apellet court.
i must admit when i heard the news it was really disappointing, but it made me feel a little better knowing that it was over a statue of limitations and not because they tried to say it never happened.
i think you all might find this a little funny, a few months back my lawyers had a deposition with the elders involved in the congregation and i was able to attend, one elder kept on saying that he just followed watchtower policy, he also admitted that the two eye witness policy is true, he said that he was no longer an elder and said it was because he wanted to spend more time with his family but is still a jw (of course).
I have been told by some that it took alot of guts and that I was brave and I just never really viewed myself that way, - Erica
Well, duhhhhhhhhhh! It does take a lot of guts to do what you're doing and you are brave!
You're one of our best Good People!
Congratulations on your engagement & upcoming baby too!
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recent newsletter from silentlambs.com updates.
i wanted to give a couple of updates for silentlambs and let everyone know we are busy behind the scenes.
new reports come in everyday and many are being helped with their situations.
Hello Skally,
Bowen should send that 800.00 to Vicki!!!!!Damn him!
sKally
He, or the silentlambs org. put that money up for him to attend depositions. The WTBTS paid him or silentlambs back.
Either way - it's his call. I haven't seen anybody else being damned for giving or not giving their private money. If it's silentlamb's money.....well, that's taken care of over there. Perhaps damning him over there would be more appropriate?
Don't know why you're damning him - no matter what anybody says, imho.......the man puts in more than his share of work for others.
If you think he should contribute $800, well, why don't you contribute first - and see if he'll match you? Would be interesting. Perhaps more of us would follow your lead, eh? XJW Match Game
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well, after thinking about all the bad experiences, i just wanted to know, did you know any good elders, and what were they like?
probably unconventional, right?
one of the only elders i knew that i truly thought was a wonderful person is my father.
Doyle Coonrod (I know - the name sucks) - Frankfort, IN a good guy all around. I think he finally stepped down in the early 90's - health. His most memorable statement? "You know, when they wanted us to be elders in the 70's, they said the end was coming soon - so it wouldn't extra work for very long. It's been 20 years and I'm tired."
Don Sparks, Indianapolis IN, Eastgate Cong. Chrysler paid for him to take a college course one time. He picked Statistics........and loved it. If he'd gone to college, he would have lived engineering. A True Believer in a gentler way, and a good man.
Don Needham, Indianapolis, IN Eastgate Cong. Weird, intelligent, odd, ...and funny. A True Believer though - reg. pioneer for decades.
I've lived in South Carolina for 20 years. I've NEVER met an elder who'd compare to any of these men. Don't know why - here & there, just ordinary men. Perhaps because this is the Bible Belt?
this letter campaign is designed to convey public outrage at the watch tower society's treatment of vicki boer.
it has been designed so that, depending on how many copies you send, you should be able to complete it in 15-30 minutes.
thanks to scully, there is now no need to go the email route, all the materials you need are now on the web.. the home page for the letter campaign is here: http://hometown.aol.ca/scullyxjw/vb-letters.html.
Though they may not like what you say, politicians care what you think. Some care only about categories: how many are for this and how many against it? Some care about the details: why are you for or opposed and what do you think are the important issues? Some make it easy for you to contact them: they or their staff will respond to telephone calls, letters and post cards, emails. Some respond to mail but seem to ignore email entirely . Some refuse to provide an email address on their web site. The best ways to get the attention of any local official is usually by picking up the phone or sending a letter or postcard. There's something about a piece of paper or a voice that takes up some staff time that gets more attention, especially now that so many government offices are flooded by mass-produced email barrages. That is no reason not to use email?politicians always count communications on issues from citizens, whatever their method of transmission. And many of them do take email as seriously as anything else.~The Buffalo Report
This morning, I've had 3 customers in who I know well.
I showed them the information on Vicki & told them what we were doing. I asked if I could send letters and sign their names so they wouldn't have to do the work?
All of them..."Haell yes!" (We're southern rednecks.)
One woman voided a check so that I'd have her & her husband's name & address correctly. Said I could send a set with each name.
I don't mind the stamps - it's a lot less than buying Vicki a meal if she were visiting me - and I would do that....so why not this?
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btw, the quote is compliments of SevenOfNine - she has a thread up with a cazillion addresses. No joke!
in addition to submitting letters to those on the list provided by expatbrit and scully voicing displeasure over the vicki boer decision, i sent letters to the canadian embassy in washington, dc.
the ambassador, his assistant, press spokesperson, and media relations officer can be reached at the following address: .
michael f. kergin, ambassador.
Yo 7!
Hope to meetcha!
But see what I mean? This thread is now on page 3/4 - and the contribution thread is on page one. If they were together (and the above threads too) - we could find things quicker.
Particularily if we could get ALL the addresses on ONE thread with no comments (like I'm doing now). Keep them up there.
I'm sure things like this will come up again - and then we'd have all these friggin' addresses.
You go talk to that there Si fella. I think there's a plan here.
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if any of you wish to kindly make donations to vicki boer, we are formulating a vehicle to attend to this as we speak.. we have been in touch with vicki, who is understandably deeply distressed at the turn of events that have forced her to relive much of the trauma which she hoped that this court case would put to rest, and are wresting a plan which would allow her to receive personal donations aimed at her well-being rather than enriching either the wts or her advisers.. an address will be forthcoming shortly, together with a paypal email address which will allow you to send your donations or well-wishes to vicki, scott and the girls.
it will not be a canadian address or bank account.
there are a number of important points that any donators would need to assess before donating any cash:.
All I can say is that three people will know how, Vicki, myself and AlanF. The process will be monitored simultaneously by the three of us. At some stage the donators are going to have to trust our honesty and integrity and if a person feels uncomfortable taking our word for it, then it may be better if they do not donate
Yeah, I trust y'all's honesty and integrity....particularily Vicki's. If she's like me, by god, she KNOWS where her money is - or isn't.
Not that we're cheap....we just know.
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the jws always give a lengthly explanation as to why they don't celebrate christmas or birthdays, and then always add the final statement "besides, we give gifts throughout the year!".
yeah, right!
okay, lets get an unofficial count of all the people who actually did get gifts on other days of the year.
Sooooooooooooo, it's better to get shitty gifts wrapped nicely or nice gifts without wrapping?
lol - I'll keep that in mind this Christmas.
But I too missed the wrapped gifts, surprises, etc., when becoming a jw. Especially when younger, my kids got a good deal of gifts - and I made sure they were wrapped with ribbons and big bows. Kids do love that. I made the grandmothers (one who wasn't a jw and hated to wrap gifts) give their gifts wrapped - and they weren't too happy about that either.
My kids did miss out on the celebration of the holidays (and we make up for it now) - but they definitely dressed as nice as any other kids (Nike, Polo, etc) and had equivelent toys.
Not all jw parents were total shits. Some? yeah. But so were some of the kids.
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if any of you wish to kindly make donations to vicki boer, we are formulating a vehicle to attend to this as we speak.. we have been in touch with vicki, who is understandably deeply distressed at the turn of events that have forced her to relive much of the trauma which she hoped that this court case would put to rest, and are wresting a plan which would allow her to receive personal donations aimed at her well-being rather than enriching either the wts or her advisers.. an address will be forthcoming shortly, together with a paypal email address which will allow you to send your donations or well-wishes to vicki, scott and the girls.
it will not be a canadian address or bank account.
there are a number of important points that any donators would need to assess before donating any cash:.
Mindchild's got good points - all sides of this problem need to be explored & answered. However, perhaps not on the open forum?
Mindchild put forth his questions with due respect and caution (more than I've done in the past, eh?).
As for money we wish to gift to Vicki? Well, perhaps she and her lovely husband would like to come to Joy & Steve's International Apostafest over Halloween w/e?
Good questions - and wonderful work being done for Vicki!
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this is from cbc news online .
student wrongly accused of sex abuse wins case .
last updated fri, 03 oct 2003 9:23:17 .
I am just speculating here..........but there's oddities in Vicki's judgement, in my observor-only opinion. Or perhaps I just watch too much Law & Order.
Assuming the above case & Vicki are both Canadian Law.
Vicki's case was judge only - did she have a choice? Did she have a choice of a jury?
Vicki's judge was a woman....would seem a good move, but sometimes women seem to be over zealous to prove they're not swayed by female things. And that's just my opinion.
Vicki's judge seemed to understand what the WT did to Vicki - by her scathing remarks about the WTBTS actions towards Vicki.
But then............a win of $5,000. Akin to a win of $1.00 of times past when a judge/jury didn't really agree with the person suing, but really didn't see a way around granting a winning - so the money won was almost an insult. Or perhaps she really did see Vicki's side - but had pressure to side against Vicki, so the judge played both sides of the table.
The judge is no dummy - she most likely guessed that the WTBTS had tried to settle beforehand (it's common - in usa, estimates that 90% of all cases are settled before coming to trial). She had to know that the WTBTS's cost were higher than $5,000. By granting such a small win, she was telling the WTBTS that if they filed for their court costs to be paid by Vicki - there was chance the judge would go along with the WTBTS.
The WTBTS is no dummy - they saw the $5,000 win - and knew immediately they could win the war, even though they lost the battle, if the judge helped them.
The judge helped. The judge (per Hawk's quote of Canadian Law) could side with the WTBTS or Vicki on paying court costs. The judge chose the WTBTS.
The WTBTS (per HS) has done much for the Canadian Court in certain areas of law. Perhaps the judge wasn't willing to go against the WTBTS for the whole war? Old Boys Club? Political Agenda?
The WTBTS lost, and it could cost them in the future with other victims.
The WTBTS slammed the winning victim hard - to show any other victim or attorney who they were thinking about fighting.
lol - Prime TV Movie in the making, eh?
And no, I don't understand how the above woman received $800,000 from a University by a jury - as a victim.
Something is really odd about all this.
in addition to submitting letters to those on the list provided by expatbrit and scully voicing displeasure over the vicki boer decision, i sent letters to the canadian embassy in washington, dc.
the ambassador, his assistant, press spokesperson, and media relations officer can be reached at the following address: .
michael f. kergin, ambassador.
Thanks 7!
Yet another good idea from you - I just stay amazed.
I'm continuing with my letters & will add your ideas too.
Ms. Moderator.............is there a way that all these threads with addresses, donation info, can be put into ONE AREA for an extended time? Reason being, it gets lost amongst the threads within a week (unless a good flame is happening).....and we need reminders....and others miss the threads - or what caused the situation.
Whatcha think? Even though this situation is getting organized - it's hard for the reader (use discernment) to find after the initial reading.
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