seem to have descended upon us!.
cool.
it's only thursday and we're already celebrating.
Somehow I thought Norm & Kent would look more ferocious. Viking area and all that.
They look positively charming.......even civilized, well, Norm anyway.
( snicker) don't tell Kent I said that. He looks like a cutie......so I KNOW looks are deceiving. And yes, I am joking.
waiting
i wasn't sure where to post this, but since it has to do with family planning in a permanent sort of way, i am posting here.
i have stated on two previous threads, that were about the choice to have or not have children, that i was planning on getting a vasectomy.
about a month ago i went to see the urologist and i got scheduled for the procedure which i went in for on last friday.
When I married for the second time, I already had 3 children. My new husband had never been married, and didn't want any more children.
He approached his elder father & brother for advice on a vasectomy and they told him same as the above posts - and the reason:
Men & women aren't supposed to mutilate their bodies. If a man does that & it's known, then he can't be a MS or Elder.
They said there was no problem if I have my tubes tied, however. Unspoken was the reason. There are no titles or positions for women in the WTBTS. Mutilate them all ya want.
Btw, I had my tubes tied. Quite uncomfortable for a couple of days.
waiting
yup, 3 dub women.
the 3 dub women were driving up to people handing out magazines.
i then told them "i'm sorry, i don't want your magazines.
Drive By JW's? In SC, there were a group that did this every Saturday morning, particularily after the Social Security/Welfare Checks would come in. They KNEW people had money.
To be noted, this group of women (two pioneers & 2 others) would drive around in the low income neighborhoods, and would just drive slowly, taking turns talking to people. They actually placed a lot of mags - and got donations also.
I did it once, didn't like it. The people in the neighborhoods didn't seem to mind. One of the pioneers was 350 lbs.....so she liked this kind of service - she always drove as she broke the springs in too many cars. Nice woman and a LOT of people knew her, and liked her.
Oh, they loved to stop men on Saturday morning after the checks came in....good proportion of them had slight hangovers, and ready for a little repentance.
waiting
clearly, there is every earmark of financial worries within the watchtower society.. even governing body members have expressed concern about falling contribution levels.
within congregations.
yet, for the faithful, the answer is simple: wait on jehovah.. .
well, well. back to the original portion of this thread.........yeah, by my tag "waiting"......I was told to "wait. wait. wait. wait. wait." lol - 5 years later......still "waiting."
It hasn't worked. After a year of waiting (oh, the Society told the CO not to talk further with us. They'd "handle them.")
That was when I first went to the internet and typed in "Jehovah's Witnesses." Got on with my life.
Some poor JW's have waited their entire lives instead of doing something....anything! One elder told me "It doesn't matter if it takes 100 years......STILL wait on Jehovah."
In other words..."Do nothing."
Well, if that's the case, then the same "Do nothing" attitude should serve monitarily. The WTBTS can show THEIR faith in Jehovah by waiting on him to "correct matters" or "clean house" or "show his brilliance".
Good post, met!
waiting
ps: Pro? I thought the "Mothman Prophecy" was a fascinating movie....bunch of "what if?"
i have just finished reading this book.
i imagined that it was a story about slavery at bethel.
how wrong i was.
Bought the book off ebay.....but have not read entirely. Much anger - like a lot of us - and he has a right to his anger. But Uriah's right - the mechanics are interesting. How the WT used people to achieve their means. And the insight into Rutherford fascinating.
On H20, some poster put up a speech by a member of the British government on organizations. It was fascinating - and, no, I didn't copy it. I believe Simon might have it - but he's never posted it. In essence (from a faulty memory):
The WTBTS fits this profile brilliantly. Russell's been quoted many times as never wanting an organization because he felt that it would eventually turn into a religious organization like the Catholic Church. He was right. When the WTBTS became a true organized religion - it mirrored the Catholic Church, all the while damning them.
waiting
let's face it - english is a crazy language.
there is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple.
english muffins weren't invented in england or french fries in france.
English is much more casual, w fewer rules than french
Whoever wrote that......good point. But then the following poster kinda blew it apart. But I liked it anyway.
Simon - Very good - and it's all Britain's fault anyway......NOT 'mercuns. We're just more casual, eh?
Abaddon? WONDERFUL information! A keeper - thanks for all the information.
waiting
most of you know that neil and i recently bought our first house.
it's been so much work!
but work that we're having fun with.
There are great magazines now on gardening.....subscribe to several of them.....and KEEP them. After all, year after year, you'll have the same plants, if successful.
Mulching is a necessity. In Texas? Get some books on what to grow in your climate. Keep to that at first, then perhaps branch out.
Drive by and notice any well scaped business.....they won't put in what doesn't look nice with a low maintenance factor. Money issues. Take good notice of what's growing along the highways, etc.
As for herbs? Dunno much. Rosemary's neat....run your hand over it and it smells good (if you like that smell).
One hard lesson I've learned....PASSALONG PLANTS are not necessarily your garden friend for many years. The reason that they're passalong plants (someone's passing them along to you) is that their garden is too damned full of them. And in not so many years...so will your garden. Things you might see at flea markets, etc., by private persons tend to be that way. Be careful - or at least forewarn the next passalong person.
Daylilies are great.....but take a lot of water to produce great blooms. Blackeyed Susans (Rudebeckia -my spelling is lousy) are great. They do spread.....but they don't need near the water, and bloom after Daylilies. Japanese Anemone is wonderful in early fall, but needs water for blooms.
Actually, most things that bloom need water. That might be an issue in Texas, eh? Oh! If Lantana grows in your reason - check it out! New colors & textures almost every year. Very low maintenance and low water.
Watch where the sun hits your yard - it's a MAJOR issue. So is water & shade. Read & watch & enjoy and get grubby. Wonderful therapy!
waiting - with always dirt under her nails
elder david nesler was arrested in jackson california for striking his teen-age daughter (also a jw) in front of a high school.
he is currently released and an active jw member who is allowed to participate in meetings, although his status as an elder is unknown.. this was not alleged to be sexual abuse, but it does certainly call into question the discretion of this elder.
if this is what he does in public...?.
Tiffany Marie McCullar, 32, Pioneer; 10:14 a.m. in the 700 block of Court Street; felony embezzlement of over $400 by an employee.
Rickie Ray Tigue, 48, Pioneer; 2:15 a.m. in the 31000 block of Highway 88; battery on a person.
So........these people are FROM Pioneer.......not necessarily JW full-time door knockers Pioneers?
The quote makes more sense if that's the case.
waiting
ive been here for around 5 years, but rarely write these days.
well i had to tell everybody the good news.. since i drifted away (thanks to many but mostly simon and fakel) i have helped 7 people leave.
today my mom has told me shes never going back.
Congratulations on your marriage, Josephus!
Also, but slightly down the ladder rung, congratulations on helping so many people to freedom of thought. What an accomplishment - and your mother! Double congratulations (I think).
Welcome back - and it's good to see your name around here too.
waiting
i just learned through contacts with my family that they are trying to file a suit against me for reverse shunning!!!
what is reverse shunning?
or "shunning them"?
Hi Alamb,
Blondie's put up some excellent information -- and I would think that's what your/his parents are referring to.......as *grandparents* - they feel that you are inflicting shunning on them.........as to the reverse part? Perhaps they shunned you for religious purposes, but they feel under law, you don't have the right to have your children shun them, as they are the blood grandparents. And they feel that you can't shun them for their religious beliefs. But they can shun you for their religious beliefs (religious freedom).
They shun you, but are protected because of religious freedom. They say you shun them, but you (and children) can't shun them because they're the grandparents. Or, you can't shun them for their religious beliefs. Interesting.
Your idea of a cookout is a good one! I would think a written invitation to a cookout at your home for ALL the family involved (jw's, xjw's, friends, etc.) might be a way to prove that you (and children) are not shunning them. There would be other people there too to prove whether grandparents showed up or not. And whether they spoke (and ATE) with all present. If they do not, then they are practicing shunning. If they don't EAT with you, then they're practicing shunning in the presence of your children, which the court said shouldn't/couldn't happen.
I would think they're after the grandparent idea, however.
Take care, and keep us posted. It's hell that you're going through this, but please know - you are educating thousands of other xjw's of what's potentially out there. Your fight is NOT un-noticed.
(((((((((((((((((((alamb)))))))))))))))))))
waiting
ps: What about a monthly, written invitation (lol, even with a return receipt postmark to prove in court) for a Bring a Covered Dish Dinner at YOUR house? That's more that a LOT of grandparents ever get - and they couldn't say that they couldn't come just because they don't celebrate the holidays. It would PROVE that you and your children are including them in the family arrangement, and might preclude a suit saying that the grandparents want the children at THEIR house.
(adding more) - It could be just a Once A Month Chili Dinner or burgers dinner. Make it easy?
