my name is stephen and i am new to the forum.
i am a christadelphian and through my discussions with fellow members of my ecclesia it has inspired me to reach out to other religions to find out exactly what others believe to enhance my own faith and further bring me closer to our heavenly father.
in no way do i mean disrespect if it has been caused.
Good morning Billy,
No offence taken on my part - it's good to hear talk of the scriptures.
Sadly I am not part of any religion, so I can't answer you. My own ministry - should it be a consideration for your journey - is rather simpler than yours and can be found at www.worshipJehovah.org (not associated with any religion)
i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
Datadog...
What is the alternative to JWism? Searching on your own, without anyone telling you what to believe.
I couldn't agree more!
i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
Good morning Vanderhoven7,
Armageddon is history. There is no future battle of Armageddon.
I know some people have that view - and it is one way of countering the Pentecostalists and the watchtower - but a little examination of Revelation shows that the earthly events of the vision have not yet begun.
The 1st earthly event of the vision - that is the vision, not the letters to the congregations - is at Revelation 5:13:
13. And I heard every creature that is in heaven and on earth and beneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying:
"To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the praise and the honour and the glory and the might forever and ever."
i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
Good morning Love UniHateExams,
Agree with Outlaw here.
and everyone - good or bad, believing in the intervention or not - will be rescued alive at God's intervention
At that moment, will God destroy the irreligious, the openly gay couples, the scientists that openly advocate evolution, the people addicted to alcohol/drugs/pornography, the militant atheists, etc.?
Your move ...
No, He won't. They will not be destroyed just as they see proof of Him, and everyone will be free to follow the Christ's direction thereafter or not.
The intervention is a turning-point in authority in the earth, when we finally begin our recovery - but it does not begin with a mass slaughter of this group and that.
Revelation - whose vision's events have not yet begun - will have to take place, and the war against Christ's authority and the slaughter associated with that are many events in the future.
quick recap.
i'm 44, been df'd about a 10 months.
got baptized when i was 18, in and out of the borg for years due to guilt.
Perhaps the knowing look - while you felt like a spy - showed that he was also aware of the disreputable things which you know. The clumping together of the audience in the centre is herding, as if afraid of spreading. I don't know about the attendants, but their bright colours suggest clowns, while the feathers suggest the illusion of angels.
All amateur interpretation, I'm afraid, but I've had some very meaningful dreams in the past too.
i have been perplexed as to how to brung my wife out of jws and to exit the religion... but i had an idea last night.
i know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them... not df them .. this is a sheperding call etc.. thus since my wife knows i have doubt s i could say: i want to have two brother over to discuss this ... she will agree.... of course i will hit these guys with biblical textual issues, an biology to where they are stunned and still ask... "so brothers... can you solve this conflict...?".
in this case they will not think of me as an apostate but may question their own beliefs... .
Forgive me - I misread your post when you spoke of being considered "apostate". If you sincerely do not believe, then I won't try to change your sincerity.
All the same, your unconfined manner must surely be noticed eventually, because there is something very un-natural, very claustrophobic in religions which tell one what to believe. People can't be in the company of someone who is normal without eventually noticing and wondering why they themselves do not feel that sense of freedom.
just as i think my loathing for the jw cult has peaked, it goes higher and higher.
i wish this cult would just go away.
i wish my wife would just wake up.
Good afternoon GoingThroughTheMotions,
My very best wishes to you and yours!
You'll have noticed how much attitude there is - whether for God or for watchtower / catholic / Pentecostal / ... or against - its everywhere, and its sickening. I sometimes wonder how many people actually value what it real - perhaps that can be to your advantage.
Perhaps the more normal you are, the more your family will wonder at themselves, and feel that their life in the church is somehow twisted - not though Holy Spirit, but just twisted, warped. I've seen others do this, not needing to question those around them on scripture or anything, just letting their spirit show itself as healthy compared to those who remain in the church. In the end, it becomes painful to ignore the truth - they just mellow, bit by bit, and stop seeing you as a lost soul but as a calmer, saner, more content, less stressed-out person
warning of a long boring post ahead.
i feel like i need to vent my story out, as i feel quite helpless at the moment.. i'm 31 year old, married, father of toddler with another one on the way, due later this month.
i've been serving as elder for about 4 years now in a south florida congregation.
Good morning Sanchy,
It takes someone very, very brave to admit that they've been wrong in something - very brave. There will be those who harden their faces at you, but that is a difficult heart to maintain without questioning within themselves - especially when someone is so clearly sincere, and clearly loving in his manner.
I think you will be held in high esteem - perhaps silently, for a while - but very much admired!
SIncere best wishes, sincere love to you and yours,
Acts5v29
i have been perplexed as to how to brung my wife out of jws and to exit the religion... but i had an idea last night.
i know that elders will legitimantly meet with brothers who have doubts and encourage them... not df them .. this is a sheperding call etc.. thus since my wife knows i have doubt s i could say: i want to have two brother over to discuss this ... she will agree.... of course i will hit these guys with biblical textual issues, an biology to where they are stunned and still ask... "so brothers... can you solve this conflict...?".
in this case they will not think of me as an apostate but may question their own beliefs... .
It might be hard to do, but remember that you are an individual lover of God first - and a member of the religion second.
Churches tend to have their protocols such as "shepherding calls" - which by their definition attribute a certain status to the one they are calling on - but you are a lover of God, and whatever they may have as their labels are nothing to do with you.
The watchtower is rich and powerful and massive, but the smallest person who is a lover of God - whatever his problems, whatever his flaws - is greater in God's eyes than a man-made church. You love God, yes...? then let can you let that love override the church's bluster - a creation of men, not of God? Whatever they tacitly threaten to take away, you will find elsewhere - except without the stringent controls upon you!
i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
In response to coffy who has claimed I threatened him in a letter, and after receiving many a belligerent post on the thread, I volunteer the PM I wrote to him entitled:
"must this continue...?"
If I may, I would like to mention something that happened many many years ago.
A fellow director made a spurious court claim against my defunct company. I had to get legal counsel, and since I could see he had no case I said I would like to write to this ex-director to offer him shares in the new company rather than him take this action which could only go wrong for him. My counsel said that is the very thing I should not do.
So the court case arose, my counsel was not allowed to speak in court or communicate with me during the proceedings. The case went more badly than I could have imagined: the judge denounced the director strongly, who had threatened to sue his own legal counsel as his case collapsed, and more to the point he had brought his son to the proceedings in order to savour his expectation of victory.
I knew he did not have a case and did not want him to be embarrassed, but ultimately there was nothing I could do, to my regret. He died a few months later.
I cannot answer questions to you which are not relevant, just because you want them to be. Some posts are becoming unkind, exaggerated and slanderous now. Please, save yourself further in this - the ministry is what it is and happens to be immune to your particular questionings. I sincerely do not wish you to be upset when the ministry itself is to bring a release of stress in people.
sincerely,
Acts5v29
I hope this will show - from its title to its ending - that it was a plea for posts on the thread to be more reasonable and subdued, and not a threat at-all.
