Posts by villagegirl

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The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

by booker-t in

i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

villagegirl

Jehovah will never forgive people he destroyed in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah

In the above qoute, you are describing WT doctrine. The WT is no authority on

the mind of God. They have no idea who God forgives or what he cares about.

I was watching a program on birds, tropical birds, parrots to be exact and their life

in the wild. Parrots are playful, joyous and happy birds who in the wild live gregarious

and social lives. This was filmed in Australia. There were a few predators, but their

coloring protected them in their environment. The natural world is not Disneyland.

But I see far more beauty in the world than anything else. I do not know how men

come to the idea there is no "evidence" of intelligent design and purpose in this

universe. I see "evidence" everywhere in my daily life and observations.

I guess we all look at the same things and see it differently, or opposite,

depending on our own way of seeing. Looking for literal measurable calculations

and historical explanations in the Bible, may be naive. Perhaps it is more mystical

and like scientists observing a phenomena can change the outcome by the act of

observing it. Its called the observer effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6l5Zh7w9yQ

"The Observer Effect, a fundamental premise of quantum theory, raises an open question regarding the nature of existence. Numerous experiments over the past century allude to the role of consciousness in the construct of reality; it has been shown time and again that it is the act of observation itself that causes a wave function to collapse out of either/or uncertainty into what we experience as a particular reality... My reality. Your reality. Everybody's reality. "

As Niels Bohr once famously remarked, "Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it."

So it may be the observer who has changed his own reality by his own perception

or created an alternate state that is not really connected to what he assumes is "real"

Some religiouos philosophies maintain we create the reality around us, much like the

observer effect in scientific observation.

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Victim of Jehovah's Witnesses child abuse. See the petition

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsfmrg2urrk.

she forced a stick down my throat and made me eat my own vomit': daughter abused by adoptive mother for 20 years tells of torture and fears over her imminent release from prisonvictoria evans was tortured by her adoptive mother eunice spryshe was starved for three months at a time and violently abused.

forced to live in a wheelchair for four years .

villagegirl

Band on the Run - this is a well publicized court case.

It sounds weird because this was a real life horror story.

Its not normal, weird, awful, disgusting abuse by a JW woman

who attended meetings at a Kingdom Hall. She is in prison.

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Jw's dont really care about doctrine do they?

by marriedtoajw in

it seems to me that jw's really don't care about doctrine.

ephesians chapter 4 verse 11 "and he gave some as apostles others as prophets, others as evangelists, others as pastors and teachers to equip the holy ones for the work of ministry for the building up of the body of christ until we attain the unity of faith and knowledge of the son of god to mature manhood to the extent of the full stature of christ so that we may no longer be in infants tost by waves and swept along by every wind of teaching arising from human trickery from their cunning in the interest of deceitful scheming".

is it just me or does this verse totally annihilate the doctrine or belief in new light.

villagegirl

that JWs obey the WTS because of WHOM the WTS claims to be (God's sole channel of communication on earth) regardless of WHAT they say.

The WTS always says: obedience is paramount. Read their propaganda,

it's all about the rulership; it is authoritarian.

When they make false predictions they shame and

blame their readership and say people "ran ahead"

or misread what they said, but they never,

ever,fully accept blame. This constant trait,

of never admitting your responsibility,

never saying "it was me, I was wrong ",

of always deflecting blame away from

themselves, is a trait that is generally associated

with psychotic personalities.

The blame for false prophecy and killing people

for years because of blood rules, and 40 or 50 years

of not reporting known pedophiles, only to change

because of a 20 million dollar law suit, is not proof

of some virture on their part.

They always speak in the Royal "We" as if the

governing body is "the organization" and the

rank and file are somehow included, but they are not.

All decisions come down from eight men.

Eight, unelected, unaccountable, absolute dictators,

who refer to themselves as "God's people"in the plural

as if the false prophesies came from Jehovah's Witnesses

as a whole body, when in fact the rank and file decide

nothing and have no say at all in any doctrine or

teaching at all. And somehow JW's believe this

"brotherhood" of equality exists in spite of the

evidence that they are powerless and voiceless as individuals.

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good books on critical thinking

by tepidpoultry in

jw
friends

hi, wanting to improve my thinking.

thanks, tepid..

villagegirl

Please add to your list:

The Tyranny of Words, by Stuart Chase

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My Open Letter to the WTS

by braincleaned in

today, i was pissed.

so i wrote an official open letter to the borg.

i'm posting it everywhere i can.. .

villagegirl

I was explaining to those who did not know (quasi everybody), of your embezzlement of Christ’s authority as mediator to all humankind. Flying in the face of 1 Timothy 2:5-6, this presumptuous stance was first disclosed in 1986

This above observation and scripture sums it up beautifully. Well done.

Then you kind of lose the impact when (after being outraged that they actually usurp

Jesus Christ and replace him with their arrogant selves) which is so true, but then

you "throw the baby out with the bathwater" and throw the very existance of God

out with this:

I am unafraid of you or your non-existing and horrific god

So your initial outrage at not accepting that Jesus is the mediator for us all,

is meaningless becuase you spit on Jesus and say he does not exist ?

Prehaps you could instead say, the Bible does not mention a "Governing Body"

and therefore it is they who do not exist ? And you might add their claim to be

the "sole channel" is "horrific" and makes them "the man of lawlessness"

and the Anti-Christ ?

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What to do when my wife is away for a week and I am supposed to attend this years RC?

by suavojr in

jw
friends

easy... skip it!.

but already i had people calling me asking where i was yesterday!!!!

the system the jw's have in place can be compared to a communist regime , where everyone keeps a check on each other.

villagegirl

Are you supposed to give a report ?

You could make up some interesting "new light"

I bet this group could make up some interesting

and exciting new things that Watchtower is planning.

You could read it with great seriousness to your wife

and mother-in-law from your "notes"

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Bible's mention of physical beauty- why?

by Magnum in

for years, as i've read through the bible, i've wondered why bible writers were concerned about physical beauty (see references below)?

i realize it's human nature to be interested in beauty, but why did they see fit to record in the so-called "word of god" the fact that some of the people they wrote about were beautiful?

looks are not supposed to matter according to jw doctrine (and probably the doctrine of many christian-professing sects).

villagegirl

Beauty seems to be in all races and types.

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I got asked to do the literature cart witnessing!

by stuckinarut2 in

so as i have told everyone here, i am well along in my fade, and know ttatt.

i have even been pursued by the elders and interrogated re my "seemingly loss of spirituality and activity etc..." even though i am still an ms.. but cop this!...

i have been asked to join in the exclusive literature cart witnessing activity!

villagegirl

Tell him you have a huge number of "worldly" people

you witness to on-line.

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I have no Real Friends!

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

i have come to a startling and sad realisation!.

i have no real friends!.

i have always been extremely active in every aspect of the org, since childhood.

villagegirl

I wasted so much of my life, because I thought my "best friends"

were all Jehovah's Witnesses and the only ones who "understood me"

This is probably what most JW's feel. The shocking reality is just as

you have described it. You are being BULLIED, get away from these

judgemental and toxic people as soon as you can. And disregard their

sly cruelty or stand up to it . Its a Cult. No independent thinking allowed.

"Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated." - the Borg

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Doctor acquitted in post-surgery death of Jehovah's Witness

by TJ Curioso in

doctor acquitted in post-surgery death of jehovah's witness by kim da-ye.

the supreme court upheld a lower courts decision thursday that a doctor who performed surgery on a jehovahs witness patient without a blood transfusion at her request is not responsible for her death.. .

a 57-year-old doctor, surnamed lee, was charged with occupational negligence leading to the death of his patient who died from complications caused by excessive bleeding during and after hip replacement surgery.. .

villagegirl

The Doctor needed to have a bullet proof lawyered-up

document for then ALL to sign, before he proceded.

The family should be suing the Watchtower Society.

Many have, over the same issue and won.