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  My friend, "Warrior," has a question on Matthew 28:20

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  good morning!.

  "warrior" and i had an 8-hour visit yesterday centering around many of the issues discussed by jwn members.

  one point we talked about was jesus' instruction to make disciples, baptize them and observe all that he has commanded us.. does a christian, therefore, need conduct his life solely on what jesus literally said, i.e., teachings contained in the four gospels?.

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  scotoma - I went to a Seventh Day Adventist meeting and they washed each

  other's feet, and mine, it was somehow a very profound experience, hard to describe.
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  My friend, "Warrior," has a question on Matthew 28:20

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  good morning!.

  "warrior" and i had an 8-hour visit yesterday centering around many of the issues discussed by jwn members.

  one point we talked about was jesus' instruction to make disciples, baptize them and observe all that he has commanded us.. does a christian, therefore, need conduct his life solely on what jesus literally said, i.e., teachings contained in the four gospels?.

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  villagegirl

  I second what Lost has to say. Its very weak when anytime

  anyone wants to explore some non-watchtower but still believer,

  discussion on this board that the "bashers" arrive. And start mocking and

  making fun of anyone who wants to discuss theology,

  no matter what theology, the only thing that seems safe her is atheists

  and gays and any point of view that is about witchcraft etc -

  But bring up a scripture, questions on the Bible and

  you get cartoons of people throwing-up and mockery and bashing.

  Please try to treat even people with apposing views with some dignity.

  Allow others the courtesy of exploring their own beliefs

  even if they do include God.

  I am speaking to you as the grandmother I am.

  If you can't or don't want to contribute then leave it alone.
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  TOP 10 REASONS that for JW's REALITY = access denied!

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  1.the organization itself denies access to reality and substitutes its own alternate reality of counterfeit "meaning".. a.only watchtower approved publications are worthwhile reading material.. b.no higher education is to be pursued.. c.no non-jw friends or associations are encouraged with their "outside" points of view.. d.no free-style questioning of doctrine or criticism permitted.

  curiousity is verboten.. e.threat of being "marked" or disassociated looms as an invisible gun aimed at members at every moment!.

  2.between every real-world event and the rank and file jw's mind is a roadblock.. a.the moment of identifying is short-circuited by an interpretive moment of re-labeling in watchtower-speak.. b.all things happening are forced into a narrow storyline and propagandized as end times happenings leading to armageddon.. 3.social and personal identity is expunged and replaced by a collective persona of "jehovah's witness".. a.private thinking is red-flagged as self-centered and sinful.. b.personal improvement, welfare and ambition is labeled repugnant.

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  Terry THE BOOK - You need to put this stuff in a BOOK

  and get it published- You really should - You have a great

  writing ability
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  Sad Discussion Regarding Beards

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so both my wife and i are awake to ttatt.

  we are still active, patiently waiting for the org to implode.

  being active, it is evident this is happening as a quickening.. we were having a discussion regarding shaving & beards.

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  Tiktaalik - You have no good JW friends. They will sell you out to the wts in

  a heartbeat if they suspect you of dabbling in independent thinking. - Sums it up
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  I was a Jehovah's Witness in a different religion

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently had a very long conversation with my mother, about what jehovah's witnesses teach and believe now.

  while i could gleam ideas and thoughts, that kind of worked with the religion i once called home.

  more often then not, i had to come to a extreme conclusion.

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  scotoma - WOW Does that ever NAIL it .

  You are my new hero. ADD

  Giordano, Athanasius, Fresh Prince

  all heroes. Everyone on this site should

  read this thread.
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  I was a Jehovah's Witness in a different religion

  by free2beme in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently had a very long conversation with my mother, about what jehovah's witnesses teach and believe now.

  while i could gleam ideas and thoughts, that kind of worked with the religion i once called home.

  more often then not, i had to come to a extreme conclusion.

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  free2beme - Interesting insight from the perspective of today's Kingdom Hallers.

  Appreciate this insight since I came from the 60's 70's 80's pre-internet Amageddon

  is next week, for SURE this time, run-for-your-life and carry no insurance crowd.

  But how does this "live till you die" new philosophy mesh with the "get no advanced

  university degree" that might take 4 to 8 years to become a professional in any medical

  or science, marine biologist, law or teaching capacity ?? In this "new world" (pun)

  of a relaxed approach and the new idea of joining the "Rapture" how can they maintain

  the paranoia about other Christian churches ? And the refusal to connect in community ?

  What remains is: the isolation of children and the failure to provide any

  social activities or charity work or meaningful activities except passing

  out Watchtowers. Even the icy cold isolation of not partaking of 'emblems'

  is alienating. There is no real "Heart" or loyalty or love or Christian works.

  Those who remain in have a hard core suicide bomber kind of mentality towards

  anyone who does not accept the faithful and discreet slave and governing body as

  their Mediator. Its much more creepy than it was in the jolly old 60's-70's.
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  How to Recognize Counterfeit Christian Religions

  by smartwater in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  by their fruits you will know them.

  a good tree (religion) does not bear bad fruit, neither can a rotten tree bear good fruits.

  true faith is followed by good fruits/works.. dead faith is followed by bad works or no works at all.. 30 bad fruits/works of counterfeit christian religions.

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  Parakeet - two degrees in English Literature ? From what university ? I graduated from The University

  of California, College of Creative Studies, (thats where I get my creative spelling) Then Simon Fraser

  in Vancouver BC. But the most useful thing I might have done was a technical associate of arts in

  Architectural Drafting Technology, disjointed I know, not a clear path. I painted Murals for a Park District,

  ran an After School program serving 65 children a day, ran summer camps, taught Adult High School,

  taught at Vancouver Community College, Vancouver "Career" School, (a bogus private school )

  I drew house plans mostly, a lot of house plans for building that were actually built, I also did graphic

  art and I am a painter and show my paintings. I am still plodding along, doing art, printing out my

  designs on greeting cards, setting up an Etsy Shop. Retired but need to be doing something.
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  if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either

  by biometrics in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.

  (2 thess.

  how many witlesses actually take this scripture to heart and apply it in their lives.

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  In my observation over a lifetime, 30 years, attending KH and associating

  with jdubs I saw a trend, not just in places like Australia and Canada, where

  welfare and disability and social housing is readily available, but in California,

  the jdus were encouraged by the WT in actual Watchtower articles to take advantage

  of the what the government would give them. BLONDIE where are when I need you ??

  I have known families, single moms, and who are now seniors who have lived all their

  lives on some form of assistance and social housing, on purpose and by design.

  The WT creates a non-contributing mentality, in all aspects of what would normally

  be viewed as community and social responsibility to their own country, their own

  neighborhood and their own family. They are NOT thinking: get involved in community,

  get an education and be productive, do community service projects, look to improve the

  lives of those around you, be connected. Its just the opposite: its isolate yourself,

  stay away from your neighbors, don't do any community projects with worldy people,

  don't join any service organizations, don't go to college, etc etc etc

  If Pioneers DO work they are doing manual labor, cleaning usually,

  and this does not build a pension, buy a house create a savings account,

  or leave anything to contribute to their children, their aging parents,

  or charities, its hand to mouth and then what ? Social assitance in middle age.
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  Angels and Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what would happen if a jehovah's witness claimed to see an angel or have an angelic experience?

  what would the reaction of the church be if one of the governing body claimed to have seen an angel or have an angelic experience?

  by "angelic experience" i mean being shown future events by an angelic presence.

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  villagegirl

  Lots of people report spiritual type experiences involving connections

  to angels or direction or comfort felt in times of personal meditation

  and prayer, even visions of light and the sense of being lifted up

  out of the material world. This is universal and has been in every culture.

  The human experience is something more than a quest for food and sex

  and to reproduce ourselves and then die. Thats why humans create art,

  and music. I personally believe that animals have some inner joyfulness,

  and even love of beauty. I think animals and people are very similar

  and valued by God. They used to teach in science classes that

  what distinguished animals from people, was that people use tools.

  On further field study, they discovered by observation that animals

  use tools also, and some planted crops, and most build themselves

  complex houses or nests or places to live. Oh - sorry I digress-

  Angels - yes I think they are everywhere, and there are

  good ones and bad ones but we all have angels around us.

  Yeah I know what about people dying, suffering, getting sick,

  and animals eating each other and us eating animals,

  unless your Hindu. I have no idea. The first hundred years

  are the hardest, is the only answer I have come up with.

  As for Jehovah's Witnesses and Angels, there are plenty of

  old WT that reported Angels protecting JW's in WW11

  But if you said " Hey guess what, I saw an Angel last night"

  You would be considered insane or demonized.
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  I am what I am

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just thinking today.

  i heard the term been frazed as a "neutral witness".

  i think that's what best describes me.

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  villagegirl

  Lisa Rose wrote:This org is affecting you in

  ways you will not understand

  until after you have been away a while.

  Listen to Lisa Rose, she is speaking the truth

  in a very core essential way. You cannot violate

  your own conscience and ignore your inner spirit

  that is telling you, its wrong, something is seriously

  wrong with this world view, as taught by the WT.