just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.
congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.
congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.
Oubliette wrote:
Hey, where do you think we learned it? At least here we can freely express our ideas without the risk of being labelled an apostate. Oh, I almost forgot: We ARE apostates! ... lol
This is true. At times I tend to forget the strange and symmetrical symbiosis that individuals here share with the borg. The dynamic is intriguing to say the least.
just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.
congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.
congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.
neverendingjourney wrote:
This happens every time the WT announces a change. What results in a 20 page thread on JWD typically elicits nothing more than a shrug from your typical JW.
Ah, you hit it on the head. And I certainly can't argue against disscussion for the sake of disscussion, or even meandering debates. But the comments in this thread in particular were so farfetched and outlandish that some were getting confused as to what was actually being changed.
I'm sure the well-meaning intention to inform was there at the beginning, but it has become almost laughable what some have said in this thread, I mean just way out in left field.
Lol, reading some of these posts makes me feel like I'm at a meeting listening to absurd comments . . .
just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.
congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.
congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.
Juan Viejo2 wrote:
That I am as fanatical as the Watchtower? That my contact who is trying to keep me and others reading this thread is somehow being "fanatical"?
In this case, yes to both. You, along with your contact and others in this thread, are filled with an excessive and single-minded zeal, or obsessively concerned with this idea. That makes you fanatical. Plus your contact is a JW, correct? Even more reason why this idea is susceptible to fanatisism. It was fueled by an unobjective JW who did not have all the facts.
just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.
congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.
congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.
Juan Viejo2 wrote:
I can see it being handled this way:
This is unfortunatley what JW's are guilty of; imagining something, and then saying or doing something else not based on solid facts. This thread has evolved a rumor into opinion, which then gave way to conspiracy, which is now quickly becoming hearsay. How is this not as fanatical as organizational JW doctrine?
because they don't know what to do and they want to numb the pain .
especially for bornins..
disposable hero wrote:
Fancy a stout right now. Stuff it, going to have one....
what kind?
just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.
congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.
congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.
We really are the pot calling the kettle black when we let unreasonableness and unobjective conjecture run rampant.
just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.
congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.
congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.
undercover wrote:
Let's stick with facts and official documentation of what the WTS actually proposes to do, instead of letting imaginations run wild into some conspiracy theory universe, where reality doesn't exist...
Ah, the voice of reason. Thank you undercover.
because they don't know what to do and they want to numb the pain .
especially for bornins..
I am a born-in and yes, I regularly get hammered, especially drinking beer by myself. Instead of hanging out with some cute girl and having a family, I usually just sit at home and drink beers and then add them to my beer list. Bleh.
Though, for some odd reason, I don't get fat, I stay thin.
hey everyone i'm new here.
i'm not baptised but i've been qoute on qoute 'studying' for the past 4-5 years.
i'm almost 20. i've been lurking and i've seen a lot of posts about elderettes.
troll detected
against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.
he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.
i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.
Roddy wrote:
Either way it will cause the COs to be more affiliated with the congregations than with the WTS company, the congregations to becoming more autonomous, and the local body of elders to becoming more powerful and autonomous within their congregations.
Your ignorance to the current timetable of events aside, the above statement is possibly the most astute and accurate description of what is likely to happen.
As has been mentioned on this forum, if we look at the setup in the first century, there is no DO position. You have the governing body, traveling ministers, local overseers, and congregations. Paul's position relied mainly on his own finances and the local congregations to support him. He also had more weight in making descisions, most of the time not even consulting the the body in Jerusalem. If the JW organization wants to mimic this heirarchy, the elimination of DO is a step towards that goal.
I would not be surprised if the circuits get broken up further into smaller sets of congregations. Currently my circuit is made up of 24 congregations. If our CO gets to each hall twice a year, that's 48 weeks, and leaves just 4 weeks free. This leaves little margin for error, or any significant time off for the CO. If the circuit were to be only 18 congregations, or even 15, you could have more visits from from the CO at certain halls that need additional direction/management, while allowing the CO more time off as well.
What could also happen, possibly, is an assistant/training CO position to come about. Since we have these extra former DOs, you could have two, even three COs for one circuit. This gives better opportunity for COs to be trained thoroughly, in the congregations, on the ground, in the field. The assistant/training CO can help in a variety of ways, as did Timothy with Paul; ie. give talks, handle idiotic judicial comittees, etc. The CO is freed up to make sure congregations are covering their territories, appointing the RIGHT men, and generally having better visability on the spiritual health of the circuit.
