shitstorm imminent. is this a talk he gave while he was a gb member?
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If you thought Tony Moris the Third was extreme, wait till you hear this other GB member!
by Island Man inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqzc2m8_mba&list=uus0vqkpnsxult0gsz6ahpta.
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Trademark office rejects Watchtower's application for "JW.Org" logo
by AndDontCallMeShirley inhttp://tsdr.uspto.gov/#casenumber=85896124&casetype=serial_no&searchtype=statussearch.
even though watchtower's application has been rejected, they will be allowed to use the logo because it is for religious usage and will not be confused with commercial products.. the trademark office did note this:.
indeed, numerous other marks are registered reflecting the letters j and w:.
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Just thought of something. Since the denial for trademark status was due to a lack of any use within commerce, all the JW.ORG things now make more sense. I've been seeing pins, bags, pens, (I'm waiting for a shirt, jesus, I would just wear it to LOL everyday at ppls reaction) stickers and so forth everywhere. I guess the plan is to take photos of the logo "in commerce" now, and make a new application for the slight variation with the dot before the ORG portion.
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What Would It Take To Prove......
by metatron ina hypothetical question.. at a minimum, what evidence would it take to prove that the society is trying to quietly shed publishers?.
now, i don't think we have evidence of this yet but that doesn't mean it could never happen.
we must consider where the trends of magazine/literature cuts, branch office sales, coerced contributions, bethel/do layoffs, and emphasis on jw.org lead us.. otoh, you might argue that there would never be a deliberate move to get rid of them, just moves that discreetly abandon them.
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Indeed. A set of people who may work together temporarily to achieve a goal within the organization that, through the normal chain of command, would get bogged down in political red tape. And not so much of a particular sect or clandestine group, but just friends who want to accomplish something.
I've acted in such a manner on many occasions, and this sort of behavior tends to rear its figurative head when you get into RBC and RC territory. Especially where overseers in charge of a department might not really understand the technology, building codes, equipment, etc. being used. And so a small set of people forms, who, knowing precisely what they are doing, circumvent all authority and pull a trigger, fix a bug, rewire something, to get the job done. This mentality translates into goals and strategies, particularly ones that are facing the public sector or hard facts, such as law/court proceedings, how internet protocols work, or how printing machinery is operated.
So because individuals are accustomed to acting in such a way to prevent the physical failure of buildings, technology, legal matters, and so forth, such individuals may act the same way when spiritual or organizational failures are imminent, as you have articulated. And of course this leads to a tug-of-war scenario between people, departments, congregations, all over the organization.
I've always said the WT is a train with no conductor. A lot of times the only way they survive is by learning from a complete failure, or by someone, or a group of people relinquishing control to others who aren't normally in charge of anything. There's no one leader in control.
Just my thoughts, based solely on observation and experience.
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What Would It Take To Prove......
by metatron ina hypothetical question.. at a minimum, what evidence would it take to prove that the society is trying to quietly shed publishers?.
now, i don't think we have evidence of this yet but that doesn't mean it could never happen.
we must consider where the trends of magazine/literature cuts, branch office sales, coerced contributions, bethel/do layoffs, and emphasis on jw.org lead us.. otoh, you might argue that there would never be a deliberate move to get rid of them, just moves that discreetly abandon them.
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Vidiot wrote:
I don't entirely agree with you.
Lol, yes you do
Vidiot wrote:
the real bottom line is, they saw the 67% retention rate, the young people "leaving in droves", the so-called death of printed media, the impending pedo lawsuit payouts and bad PR, and numerous other harbingers of death . . . implemented the corporate equivalent . . . and thusly proceeding to help the process along
Exactly my point. This describes, as you mentioned, a strategy that is purely reactive to external forces. It's also evolving, which is why they redact things, update and destroy BOE letters, and have eldubs editing their KS books.
I suspect that at least some loyalist movers-and-shakers in the WT heirarchy had enough practical common sense to see the way the wind was starting to blow . . . and began directing policy accordingly, ostensibly to save face and to (hopefully) keep the WTS afloat.
This also describes a situation where there isn't any real vision or direction. You have a group of people within the organization who are acting independantly of the visible leadership. They think they know better (and granted, they might actually have better actionable data) and they've proceeded to manipulate individuals/circumstances because they don't believe the GB has the appropriate viewpoint.
There's no bottom line, except survival. I would even hazard to say that the pedantics we see on the ground are a result of an attempt to not only muddy the waters in terms of visiblity by the R&F, but as an obscurification tool to prevent these splinter groups within the top layers of the organization from running around doing whatever they feel is necessary.
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What Would It Take To Prove......
by metatron ina hypothetical question.. at a minimum, what evidence would it take to prove that the society is trying to quietly shed publishers?.
now, i don't think we have evidence of this yet but that doesn't mean it could never happen.
we must consider where the trends of magazine/literature cuts, branch office sales, coerced contributions, bethel/do layoffs, and emphasis on jw.org lead us.. otoh, you might argue that there would never be a deliberate move to get rid of them, just moves that discreetly abandon them.
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It's a runaway train guys, with no conductor. Vidiot hit the nail on the head. While it's entertaining to analyze and weigh potential conspiracies, the bottom line is, there is no bottom line. There's no one cohesive vision or direction or plan, other than pure survival. What we see is usually reactive behavior of groups of people who live sequestered lives.
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What Would It Take To Prove......
by metatron ina hypothetical question.. at a minimum, what evidence would it take to prove that the society is trying to quietly shed publishers?.
now, i don't think we have evidence of this yet but that doesn't mean it could never happen.
we must consider where the trends of magazine/literature cuts, branch office sales, coerced contributions, bethel/do layoffs, and emphasis on jw.org lead us.. otoh, you might argue that there would never be a deliberate move to get rid of them, just moves that discreetly abandon them.
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At minimum, I would say some kind of confidential letter/phone convo containing direction to "thin the flock" would need to surface. And this "direction" would need to contain the trademark surreptitious manipulation of scriptures that the society is known for.
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OneEyedJoe wrote:
you'd have to get multiple independant reports from high-ups at bethel, or some internal memo or GB agenda item or something that confirms it.
great minds think alike
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New BOE Letter Re. Elders/MS Appointments and Deletions
by XBEHERE infrom the wording of the letter it seems that the co has been given carte blanche with appointments and deletions.
nowhere in the letter does it indicate that any records are sent to and from the co to the branch office.
even if a body wants to delete an appointed brother and he disagrees his only recourse would be to write a "brief" letter to the service dept.
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Separation of Powers wrote:
However, I believe that there will be a huge wave of removals with the CO solidifying his power base by getting rid of the more vocal among the elder bodies. Animal Farm anyone?
I was thinking this as well, but I don't know. Would a CO really risk upsetting the current power bases in the congs all at once? With the emphasis being more on the local leadership, you run the risk of creating pissed off splinter cells, especially if you delete entire elder bodies, or individual elders who are respected within the cong/circuit. Though, this stragegy could play into the theory of a intentional trimming/pruning phase of the borg. Should be interesting to sit back and watch it all play out.
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New BOE Letter Re. Elders/MS Appointments and Deletions
by XBEHERE infrom the wording of the letter it seems that the co has been given carte blanche with appointments and deletions.
nowhere in the letter does it indicate that any records are sent to and from the co to the branch office.
even if a body wants to delete an appointed brother and he disagrees his only recourse would be to write a "brief" letter to the service dept.
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As a side note to this, from what I've observed locally, it seems that all appointments are on hold until this new arrangement takes effect. I suspect we'll see a barrage of appointments come September.
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NLP, Subliminal Messages and the WT Writing Department
by 00DAD ina few years ago i became interested in the subject of neuro-linguistic programming (nlp).
while the core concepts of nlp have been largely discredited as new-age pseudo-science, there is no doubt that there is at least some validity to the idea.
words and images remain the key way we communicate.
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DATA-DOG wrote:
The extreme control that we exert over you exists so that we can extend leniency towards those who cannot meet our standards.
Couldn't agree more; or have said it any better myself. One thing that drives me up a goddamn wall is when they try to talk about marriage/dating. The fucking first line of almost every article is some derrogatory/negative experience, so that they can line up whatever "counsel" contained thereafter as "wisdom in such a wicked world". It's a physcological smear-campaign of words, designed to make their viewpoint look like the solution to peoples failures.
Fucking assholes, I swear to god. If you would just encourage and train people to believe in themselves, YOU WOULD'NT HAVE TO DEAL WITH HALF THE IDIOTIC PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Simon, please update my profile picture!
by will-be-apostate ini've read on another thread you need to delete the cached file of the profile picture so that it can be updated by the gravatar user.
i created a gravatar account, added the email address i use on here and uploaded the an image, but nothing happens.
this was 3 days ago.. could you please solve this problem?.
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Simon wrote:
What is never fine or acceptable is making threats and harrassing people.
Well, his public comments always seemed to me to be a bit abrasive, but nothing that I would personally take offense at, or even discount as a repercussion of a relatively anonymous internet chat forum. Though, I am not privy to whatever private messages were sent, or complaints from others, or how substantial such threats/harassment were. I trust that your judgment is as objective as possible.