Posts by wheelwithinwheel

Some time ago elder P.s younger son started acting up. Finally he slept with a married sister and got dfd. He was still living at home so elder P. was informed he would have to be demoted. But apparently there was also a promise that if he could bring his young son into line he would promptly regain his former elder status. The younger son smartened up and was reinstated. But the C.O.s visit went by and the Holy Spirit seemed to be dragging on the elder bodys promise. However elder P.s patience has now been rewarded. In fact he received a double honour. Not only did he regain his eldership but his eldest son also received the "older man" title. The family, as well as the congregation, are quite proud to have produced this young elder. You see he just turned 24.

So there you have it, now we have "older men" in Bethel wearing "Depends" and "older men" in the local congregations wearing "Pampers".

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Gutted about the Kingdom Ministry

by kat7302 in

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its 2:15 am and i have to go to bed altho im not tired!

i was so upset by that kingdom ministry about how to treat df ones.

ill log off and when i sign back in in the morning, i hope to see 3546154263541658468154 posts on this making me smile and laugh cos im gonna need it!.

wheelwithinwheel

Will the J-dubs end up like the Catholics Hierarchy defining the indefinable and everyone in the Church disobeying the " Pharisees " rules and doing their own thing ? Im not so sure.

My mom phoned, feeling quite vindicated by the latest Km, and began reading it to me. When she got to the picnic part I cut her off.

You see my sister was ostracized by the family 20 years ago. I began realising my brain was on "pause" some time ago and got in touch with her. Lately dad got sick and after I showed them the WT media comments the parents permitted a visit by her. Even though 2 uncles, 1 a retired C.O/D.O, another a HLC member, each welcomed her with a big hug and had a meal at the same table, my parents seemed uneasy. They finally made a fuss and to explain it dad said, "shes still disfellowshipped you know". This seems to be the last stab wound my sister could take. She feels much worse than before and I feel pretty awful for trying to patch things up. Twice disowned by your own parents.

I told mom this Km was another example of the societys two-faced lying attitude, telling the pagan press one thing and their sheep another. I explained that the society is just preparing the way to clamp a vice-grip on anyones throat who has a word to say about the pedophile issue. Then I asked her who she thought was making these decisions and writing all this WT stuff. The governing body are all suffering from the onset of Alzheimers, soiling their underwear and being wheeled around Bethel. Theyve resigned from all the comities. So it would seem that the other sheep have now taken over. I asked her if she thought that was the way Jesus planned it for his faithful and discreet slave.

She finally agreed that the seeming turnabout seemed odd and said she would write the society for an explanation. I can hardly wait for the spin-doctors reply.

2 replies to link

by wheelwithinwheel in

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sent the nbc link; got 2 replies so far:.

your message dated sat, 25 may 2002 00:59:37 edt has been submitted to the moderator of the germnews .

thank you for your message to cross country checkup.

wheelwithinwheel

Sent the NBC link; got 2 replies so far:

Your message dated Sat, 25 May 2002 00:59:37 EDT has been submitted to the moderator of the GERMNEWS

Thank you for your message to Cross Country Checkup. Although we are sending you this automated reply and are unable to reply individually to each letter, we want to assure you that we read all of our mail

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SPREAD THE LINK

by wheelwithinwheel in

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the lambs story is international and it is time for the abused to speak out in all countries.. the media all over the world must know about the findings of dateline for this to happen.. suggestion:.

click on a search engine, find major newspapers and tv in a given country and send an e-mail with a title in the subject line like:.

jehovahs witness church facing serious accusations!.

wheelwithinwheel

The lambs’ story is international and it is time for the abused to speak out in all countries.

The media all over the world must know about the findings of Dateline for this to happen.

Suggestion:

Click on a search engine, find major newspapers and TV in a given country and send an e-mail with a title in the subject line like:

Jehovah’s Witness Church facing serious accusations!

then give them the link and I think they’ll do the rest

http://www.msnbc.com/onair/default.asp?program=Dateline%20NBC

If you speak a second language, translate the title and send the link to newspapers and TV in the appropriate countries. I’m sure France, Italy, Spain, Russia and others who already know plenty about the JW’s would be interested in commenting NBC’s story.

The Watchtower showed us how to give an effective witness so let’s spread the news all over the earth Mt 24:14.

Send the link to local, national and international media.

For those who wish to temporary pioneer for a day, there is a lot of unassigned territory like the J-dub homepages.

It is not necessary to count your time or turn in a report but please don’t let this dissuade you from giving an effective witness.

ADVERTISE, ADVERTISE, ADVERTISE

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Circuit Overseers Are Monitored- Confirmed

by metatron in

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this fact appeared as a rumor on this board some time.

ago.

i can confirm it, as i once saw it with my own eyes.. a c.o.

wheelwithinwheel

A couple of years ago an elder friend in Florida told me the C.O. had cautioned all elders to listen for apostate teaching, concerning the heavenly hope, in the public talks. The C.O. said "we know they’re there, we just gotta weed them out". So maybe some undercover work is going on or maybe the WT is just paranoid.

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Psychdigg your presence requested

by JPandelo in

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psychdigg,.

i watch you post these opinions all over this forum and i have yet to see you address any real questions.

you may have a problem with bill bowen and the work he does, but you fail to provide a good enough reason why.

wheelwithinwheel

Here, here Justin! Sing their songs and do their dance and you will be a rising star....

Try climbing off the stage. You will be trampled and stomped by the same people who admired you so! And they aren’t even interested in knowing why you aren’t doing the WT song and dance anymore. They look at each other and say “Evidently she (he) wasn’t star material”

Psychdigg, one piece of advice. You want to be a good J.W. you just keep singin’ and dancin’ the WT boggy

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PRESS RELEASE

by silentlambs in

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please distribute freely to press.. silentlambs.

tuesday, may 7. .

jehovah's witnesses begin excommunicating child sexual abuse whistleblowers .

wheelwithinwheel

Hey Bill we’re rootin’ for you all – thanks for keeping us posted. I’m sure that with your knowledge of the JW’s and some legal counsel from someone like Jeffrey Anderson you should do alright ... at least legally.

I think the phone calls asking if you were df’d and your subsequent call to the WT could have something to do with the Society’s latest move. Maybe they believe it’s the right timing. After all, the press is probably too busy with the Catholic Church to cover these dfings and, in a few days, the story will be all over. We all know they took this action under prayerful consideration and are convinced the spirit is with them on this but wow!!! a FIRST ... an actual written summons to the kangaroo court. Will your case re-rite dfing instructions?

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train up a child...with a squeegee...

by wheelwithinwheel in

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while relaxing with my morning java at the local coffee joint i suddenly noticed window-washing equipment moving across the glassed surfaces of the restaurant.

yes, there was one of the local j-dubs hard at it.

the strange thing was the height of his helper ... about the height of an 8-year-old.

wheelwithinwheel

KBQ asked: Why don't the JW's have their own affiliated schools?

I believe the main problem would be the small number of students enrolled. Around here, a few years ago, the local Witnesses made an arrangement with one school to form a J.W. class and bused everyone in.

It didn’t last long. For years J.W’s policy was to frown on any further education after high school. So... a major problem was getting qualified J.W. teachers. They finally found someone (an elders wife) who was hired by the school board. Soon kids were complaining there were too many religious classes, parents were complaining about the quality of the teaching and the teacher was finding it difficult to handle all the levels necessary for the class. The prinipal cancelled the arrangement. It was later rumored the teacher didn’t have the necessary teaching quaifications.

Another consideration is that our New York directors believe their group should only get involved in areas that will further the worldwide witnessing effort.
Social and educational matters don’t seem to fit this criteria.

So there your have it: not enough students, no J.W. teachers and not an area of interest for the J.W. directorate.

Found the h-s info you provided interesting.

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train up a child...with a squeegee...

by wheelwithinwheel in

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while relaxing with my morning java at the local coffee joint i suddenly noticed window-washing equipment moving across the glassed surfaces of the restaurant.

yes, there was one of the local j-dubs hard at it.

the strange thing was the height of his helper ... about the height of an 8-year-old.

wheelwithinwheel

Glad to hear some real life stories proving home-schooling can work, but I ask myself, would anyone be worse off if they had been subjected to the school system.

Our C.O organized servant visits to family studies. All I can say is it made me question h-s (and must I remind the reader, everyone was on best behaviour).

Many mention the social aspect of the question and I agree. I think it’s especially important to interact with other kids and different teachers.

SumnerSloan says “(Socialization) - it can be done through numerous other sources – Little League, volunteer work, neighborhood kids, clubs, camps, specialized classes (i.e., art, music, dancing, etc.)” ARE WE TALKING ABOUT J.W’S HERE?

I also happen to believe a bit of peer competition doesn’t hurt anyone. What worries me even more about JW’s opting for h-s is that I’m sure it would heighten the closed, judgemental view they have about anyone not in their faith. I believe it would also make it a lot easier to pass on the belief that the WT society is the ultimate authority on all subjects. Not that this isn’t the case anyway. But having a few hours a day away from the JW environment can help to open up the mind.

My mother confided to me just the other night that she believes she failed us kids because we didn’t read the Bible together enough. The Sunday meeting had apparently stressed this point to parents. I guess in her view a few chapters a day at the supper table wasn’t enough. We were brought up to remember we were different (i.e. better than the worldly kids). We were not allowed worldly friends at school, no extra-curricular activities, no sports. One time I was asked to participate in a play, but when the teacher mentioned the play would be on a meeting night, my parents pulled me out. The final and all-knowing authority on all subjects was the Watchtower and Awake! Years of this conditioning has me, even today, marvelling at how it is possible for a worldly person to be so kind or so honest. I’m also surprised by how many good people there actually are out there (in the world). We were sheltered and taught a one-sided story and I think it would have been worse for us if we had been h-s’d.

Make no mistake, my parents are very good people. Unfortunately, they are also obedient and submissive pawns in a controlling organisation.

As to the dad teaching junior some values, I’m all for it. My dad taught me a lot. However I think this dad has greater plans for junior’s future and that’s what worries me. Window-washing is O.K till Armageddon. You can make a lot of money, have flexible hours and you don’t have to hang with the worldlies. But it isn’t exactly a career move. Lately a local window-washer got cancer. This last winter I saw his wife, on top of a snow-bank, trying to do his run. A pensioned brother and sister were doing their best to help her wet down the windows. I still see local kids, quitting school, going pioneering and working for elders, doing cleaning. After a year or two they quit pioneering, get married, have a few kids, clean at night and sleep a good part of the day...still work for the elders. Anyway, I let you know how junior’s situation is in a few years.