Farkel, If I do not have an address for you in the next seven days that can be be confirmed then I am a sad sorry sob who gets their jollys from BS'ing on the net (sounds like youknew or fredhall!). I have personally been to beth shan along with my wife and son (in late 1990's-2000). I can absolutely confirm it's existance. I will have to do a search for the address. The owner of Beth Shan is very old and will allow no-one to visit however I had better luck with the owners of the house with the underground shelter. I have Ed Gruss's book and by looking at the structure of the shelter it is not a bomb shelter rather a hiding place. I also have a video showing the concrete being laid on the top of the shelter. I will have a look and respond with the area soon.
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info for Farkel
by why144000 ini have read with great interest your posts on the history of the wt.
very informative.. in a previous thread you mentioned that beth shan had been torn down.
it is still standing.
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info for Farkel
by why144000 ini have read with great interest your posts on the history of the wt.
very informative.. in a previous thread you mentioned that beth shan had been torn down.
it is still standing.
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I have read with great interest your posts on the history of the WT. Very informative.
In a previous thread you mentioned that Beth Shan had been torn down. It is still standing. It is in a gated community in San Diego, I will see if I can remember the address. In addition to the house still being occupied there is another house built over the underground shelter. I have visited the underground shelter a couple of times and found it quite interesting.
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Acts pronoun problems
by peacefulpete init has long been noticed that the book of acts shifts from first to third person and back when describing the legendery travels of paul.
the author alternates between "we"/"us" to "they" when describing the same characters and narrative.
this is first seen in chapt.
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Very simple answer. Luke accompanied Paul for some of the time. When he was present he used 'we' and when he was not present he used 'he' or 'they'.
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Anyone going to the memorial??
by New Castles inanyone going to the memorial this coming weekend?
i didnt want to, but my wife does.
i guess i will end up going....anyone else?
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My wife and I will attend Both our parents are still 'in'. We have not been to a meeting since October 2002 however I must say I am unsettled to be of the 'submarine' class - only surfacing once a year!
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You Aussies, Is this true?
by rekless ini met some friends from austrailia and we were talking politics.
they said that everybody in austrailia had to vote.
if you did not vote you are fined.
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Technically it is not compulsory to vote in Australia. It IS compulsory to attend the polling booth and have your name off the list. After that you can choose to complete the voting form or, do as I do, leave it blank.
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Not a Bomb shelter!
by why144000 ini really enjoyed the article regarding beth sarim.
the history of this house is facinating.
also discussed is the other property beth shan.
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I really enjoyed the article regarding Beth Sarim. The history of this house is facinating. Also discussed is the other property Beth Shan. It is true that an underground shelter was build near the mansion however it was a more a hiding place from the authorities rather than a bomb shelter. I have visited the shelter twice and while the concrete is thick it may not withstand direct bomb attack. It also has ventilation shafts that were covered up by tables on top. The house still exists and the current owner is very old and does not want visitors. The shelter is actually on another property now.
The events in San Diego have facinated me and I agree that the book 'Monuments to False Prophecy' is a great read however I thought I would clarify the issue.
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The Society's Late Sixties Film "HERITAGE"
by gespro inhi guys!
this is my first posting and my question is:
does anyone remember the movie (i believe the name was) "heritage" the borg presented on tv around 68-71?
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From the 1975 yearbook page 232
The motion picture "Heritage," also produced by the Watch Tower Society in 1966, dealt with the various temptations faced by young persons today. However, Angelo C. Manera, Jr., remarks that it showed "what the youth of the New World society were doing and how they were overcoming these temptations and following a Christian course of action." Unique in that it had a sound track, unlike other recent movies produced by the Society, it was shown by many television stations. So, thousands viewed it in their homes. "Heritage" also was presented at circuit assemblies and other public gatherings.
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I used to collect roman coins from the first century, widows mite, the tribute coin etc. I also went through a phase of collecting old society literature. I still have quite a collection. I am currently into collecting memories so I can sit back when I am old and remember.
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More decption in Feb 1 WT
by why144000 inhow is this for deceptive writing.
in the feb 1 2004 watchtower under the title 'how can you satisfy your spiritual needs' the artice gives three examples of professional people who have become witnesses, a doctor, a lawyer and an architect.
all come complete with two pictures each.
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How is this for deceptive writing. In the Feb 1 2004 Watchtower under the title 'How can you satisfy your Spiritual Needs' the artice gives three examples of professional people who have become witnesses, a doctor, a lawyer and an architect. All come complete with two pictures each. This would be good press for the society however the article is long on words and short on truth! I will quote the story from Vincent, the Lawyer.
Vincent, a lawyer, says: ?A good secular career can provide a measure of satisfaction. However, I have found that much more is needed to gain happiness and contentment. Before coming aware of the bible's teaching on the subject, I recall being struck by the sheer pointlessness of life ? being born, growing up, getting married, working at a job to provide what is needed materially to raise one's children, training them to follow the exact same life cycle, and finally getting old and dying.
?It was only after studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses that I received satisfying answers to my questions about the purpose of life. My Bible study has enabled me to come to know Jehovah as a person and to develop a deep love for him. This provides the basis for me to maintain a healthy spiritual outlook as I endeavor to live my life in harmony with what I know know to be his purpose. Now, both my wife and I have the satisfaction of knowing that we are usung our life in the most meaningful way possible.?
Well this sounds impressive. We have a successful lawyer with a good secular career who finally finds the truth. He talks about providing materially to raise children. What an encouraging personal story.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!
Vincent is actually Vincent (Vin) Toole, the society's lawyer in Australia. He came into the truth many years ago and served as a circuit Oversea in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia and other places. He was invited to bethel in Australia and the society PAID for him to attend law school. He and his wife have no children and he travels around Australia giving special talks. He never had a successful Law career until the society paid for it.
This type of misrepresentation really boils my blood. The unspecting reader may be impressed by the fact that a lawyer accepts the truth when in fact no such thing occurred. It makes me wonder about the 'real' story of the doctor and architect.
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Sydney Convention
by why144000 inany reports on the international convention at telstra stadium sydney?
the attendents and staff were checking for identification (lapel cards) big time on sunday.
they told a couple of young bro's that they would not be allowed readmittance if they left the stadium and did not return with a lapel.
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Any reports on the International Convention at Telstra Stadium Sydney? The attendents and staff were checking for identification (lapel cards) big time on Sunday. They told a couple of young Bro's that they would not be allowed readmittance if they left the stadium and did not return with a lapel. Interesting times!