a jw wrote the following in an attempt to discredit the evidence provided by vat 4956. comments on the author's logic would be appreciated.
does vat 4956 prove 587?.
many point to vat 4956 as proof that jerusalem was desolated in 587bce.
Yes I have to agree Ann you have quite an array of information collected.
I am not saying I agree with it all but thanks for the reminders.
I've talked with Furuli a few times and others who have studied these tablets in person.
There is a German professor doing an interesting take on them right now.
Oh how we strive for truth, or strive to disprove others truths.
It is required I guess.
a jw wrote the following in an attempt to discredit the evidence provided by vat 4956. comments on the author's logic would be appreciated.
does vat 4956 prove 587?.
many point to vat 4956 as proof that jerusalem was desolated in 587bce.
The thing is.... as far as the Bible is concerned. Historically Critical Thinking should dictate ones interpretations in my opinion. That is, not reading more into the text than is there and appreciating what is going on at that point in time. Then you get ....that people were writing about events confronting them at thiis time in their lives or in their near future and not writing about symbolically relevent things to come in the distant future. As Ann said, many things were written even "post dated" so to speak, about events or people important to the early followers of Christ. Writers took on names of relevent people, wrote about the way things should be or could be, about the desire to enjoy religious freedom or cultural freedoms etc.. and so on.... Vat 4956 should be viewed as an indicator of a possibly accurate picture of history then, or at least a strong counter argument for the WT societies standalone theories on all of this, but does all this argumentation about Bible Cronology actually have meaning as far as 1914, 1975, or 120 years since 1914, or on and on and on??.... no way...as far as I can see. Yes the JW will say...yes but all the connecting prophesies and the mysterios connections between the books of the Bible all of this fits together as a big puzzle, and we have the TRUTH...What you have is a bunch of free labor and printing presses. If people just woriied about not shunning those who are different, or think freely, knowing their neighbors and helping strangers, being generous, avoiding violence unless required by rules of self preservation, and standing up for their principles maybe it would seem more like in their minds that the Kingdom was already here. sorry for any typos
a recent thread about this week's study of the watch tower society's god's word for us through jeremiah led me to decide to review how much of the bible book of jeremiah is actually considered in that publication.. unlike other watch tower society verse-by-verse considerations of some bible books, their jeremiah book instead purports to impart lessons 'for us'.
key scriptures in jeremiah contradict jw doctrine, so a verse-by-verse approach was out of the question, probably having learned from their daniel and isaiah efforts that expose problems with jw interpretations.. one good feature of the watchtower library on cd-rom is you can search for a scripture, then find all the search occurences for where that scripture has been cited in jw publications, which made the process much easier.. in god's word for us through jeremiah, much of the bible book of jeremiah is ignored altogether.
in fact, less than half of the bible book is mentioned at all, and only 16% of jeremiah is actually quoted (including portions with the instruction to "read" the cited verses.
Thanks indeed for this work.
if so, does it work?
i've been reading up on it and i am curious as to how it works.. .
You have a PM
if so, does it work?
i've been reading up on it and i am curious as to how it works.. .
Not a Wiccan, but PM anyway.
this is an interesting read for any who suspect history may be different from what we were taught in school or in the wt org.. the reason for the post is an interesting quote from page 539 of this book.
comments invited.... "how to recognize satan?
or any false prophet?
This is an interesting read for any who suspect history may be different from what we were taught in school or in the WT org.
The reason for the post is an interesting quote from page 539 of this book. Comments invited...
"How to recognize Satan? Or any false prophet? Or any false purportedly spiritual teaching? False teaching usually has little or no moral dimension, the benefits of reawakening the chakras, for example, being recommended merely in terms of selfish 'personal growth'. True spiritual teaching puts love of others and love of humanity at its heart-intelligent love, freely given.
Beware, too, of teaching that doesn't invite questioning, or tolerate mockery. It is telling you, in effect, that God wants you to be stupid."
so as someone newly awakened, my thoughts have turned to "why didn't i see this sooner?
how could i be so blind?
" part of it is that i never realized anyone may have left due to differences with the doctrine.
You are to be praised for your inner strength needed in order to accomplish this feat. It was the hardest thing I ever have done for sure. One writer suggested that " it was only by divine intervention that a person leaves JWs for the doctrinal and historical failings of the Org. But, I think it goes beyond these parameters. Mental health is a prime reason for many and this is a fundamental element to self preservation. Which ever reason it was for you? Enjoy your life and continue seeking truth.
......well, that's my question.. i have no stats to back anything up.
just putting it out there for thoughts/comments..
This could be answered in two ways, but both answers would be a resounding yes.
Over the history of this religious organization far more left, than stayed.
Presently there are more who are living who have been studied with or baptized and who attended for a time, which are no longer associated.
questions from the readers (w15, 01/01).
what is the christian position regarding looking out the window ?.
"gods word, the bible, commands us to thoroughly make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine.
"No doubt, the influence of the pre-deluge fallen angels led mankind into desobey God by building cities, which in turn resulted in the invention of windows, which then became stumbling blocks for mankind."
Theeeee!... single most... IGNORANT... thing EVER stated on JW.net
we invited our very close witness friend to a picnic/coffee in the park and she said she would sms us and let us know...she didnt bother which is like a big f.u to me.
we are inactive but not sinners.
imagine all the fornicators she will be huging at the memorial.."sooo nice to see you!!!
The better question is: How many fornicating sinners will be doing the welcoming?
