heres a way that i think shows that the witness idea that the "light is getter brighter " is flawed.. the reason often given for it being the case that jehovahs only reveals things graduly is that if he revealed things all at once it would be too much for a person to take.they would be "blinded" by the knowledge.. so on this reasoning then we must concluded that before 1995 people were not able to cope with the idea that "this generation" was not talking about poeple born in 1914, the light would have blinded them.. in that case why does this new light not blind people who come into the religon today?.
they have gone straight from the "darkness" into the most resently revealed light surely they must be blinded and would need first to learn all the past knowledge that is now considered wrong before they could cope with this new light.. this idea is so stupid.. children who are born today will learn straight away about the way the world works they will learn of gravity , spelling and maths in school.things that people living hundreds or thousands of years ago did not know.
since when has accurate knowledge "blinded" someone?.
when you make croocked what the lord made straight, you might use an analogy as an excuse like "tacking"
when you continueously cange the "word" that was spoken once and completely, you might use an analogy as an excuse like "light geting gradualy brighter"
as excuses go for the ever canging doctorine of the WT, analogys can fool some of the people some of the time, and that is the best you can do if you are acting without biblical support.
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wow...i am floored...it has been damn good to read some of the posts..i never thought there were so many people with the same prob's.
been df'd for a few years and still have an elder dad and a very devout mom who constantly make me feel like i am a "stain" if not for my "worldly" wife i dont think i wud be here to make this post...
hi zanex,
welcom, welcom, welcom. the Dr. is allways in.
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one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).
ashi.
p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.
he is your bro. call the cops.
if the active JWs tell you you should not have done that, tell them if what your dad did is ok then the cops will say so, right.
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i'm new here and i'm certain this topic has been discussed in the past so please forgive me for bringing it up.
i've been inactive for about 3 years now and at this time would like to disassociate myself as i do plan to celebrate holidays and such.
so i think it is to my advantage to da myself before i get dfed.
hi LB,
i'm with yoyomama on this. like he said, Ask your questions so that you can be sure of whatever you decide but only if you are going to DA yourself anyway. the rong questions will get you a DF.
what did paul mean when he said "at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror."?.
was he not annointed?
did jehovah not reveal everything to him?
hi yo,
Yerusalyim's understanding of 13.12 is mine too. i would only aid that the love we see indistinctly Paul was speaking about is not only gods love for us and our love for him but also our love for each other.
love never fails but we only love in part. when the perfect comes we will know love completely.
try reading from 13.4-13
just nice to know that i'm not alone.
i'm truly amazed and had no idea unitil yesterday surfing on a whim i decided to confront my past.
it's a blessing for me and i feel another turning point in my life because now i have lots of people to talk to and i know now that i wasn't and i'm not going crazy and that it's not just me.
hello amazed,
i'm glad you found the help of JW.com , welcome, howdy, cheers
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why haz this debate on (evolution v/s creation) stil lively & well after all these years, when,it iz impossible to prove either case?.
posters like (jan) exibit lots of arrogance & name calling when challanged, why?.
my theory: people that have been involved in some religion (like the borg),after finding out they have been deceived swing their scale too far to the opposite side in a typical "overaction!
hello moman,
Abaddon,When someone takes a position & then insults any one that doesn't agree with them, I question their objectivity, thats all.
you see the thing is there is NO debate about "evolution". In fact evolution can now be better understood by the term "jenetic drift" (random mutation of DNA following natural laws). this drift can be measured and calculated.
as to the insults.........sometimes you need to stand up and yell "open your eyes!!"
if you were to show someone the multiplication of 5*5, showing plainly and smply 5 groups of 5 objects and the sum of 25 by counting the 25 objects. and that person tells you that his/her dad said 5*5 was 10 so 10 is the answer. well you show him/her again, and again you get the same reply of "10 because dady said so". and again and again at some point you get frustrated and give up trying to explain. then you might tell that person off becuse you know he will not even look at the problem since the answer is painfully obvious.
i never use the term "evolution" anymore "jenetic drift" is what is happening to every life form on the planet.
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you guys are probably going to think this is silly of me, but i have always wondered why the society, in the nwt and all of their literature always uses the term "undeserved kindness" and never the term "grace.
" is it because the churches of christendom use the term grace, therefore it is bad?.
i know that undeserved kindness is suppose to mean the same as grace, but is it really?
hi TweetieBird,
what a good question and good posts. we can see thay are not the same and why
joelbear
I agree with Quester that the term undeserved kindness shifts the burden of maintaining a relationship with god onto the human. Anything we get we don't deserve so boy had we better work hard to deserve it more.there's the rub.
dear friends,.
i attended a 2 day circuit assembly a couple of weeks ago and one of the speakers gave this scenario.. "i talked to a brother that was standing on the top of the wts building when the planes flew into the wtc.
he said he knew that the centers would go down at armageddon, but to see it actualy happen, and to see all those poor people jumping from those burning buildings, was gut wrenching.".
hi Pureheart,
"It is not normal. Jehovah the Creator is not like this. Many people have turned away from Him because of crazies like this."
no it's not normal pureheart. i hope you find him.
http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dmn/minres/shale_xls.htm.
what does a person do with a shale mine?
can this be a nuclear bunker in disguise?
what does a person do with a shale mine?
uses it to make a profit.
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