Had Enough: How can I say thank you to you? The words do not flow easily for me. I wish I could put my thoughts into print as elequently as you are capable of doing. I know what you are feeling. Stay strong!
witchywoman
after going back and forth in e-mail with my jw daughter, i got a chance to tell her about the wts` scandal with the un.
me being a mom still wanted to try and make a difference in my daughters life.
so i sent her an e-mail, i talked about every day goings on.
Had Enough: How can I say thank you to you? The words do not flow easily for me. I wish I could put my thoughts into print as elequently as you are capable of doing. I know what you are feeling. Stay strong!
witchywoman
after going back and forth in e-mail with my jw daughter, i got a chance to tell her about the wts` scandal with the un.
me being a mom still wanted to try and make a difference in my daughters life.
so i sent her an e-mail, i talked about every day goings on.
smiler: welcome aboard, and I need to let you know that that is why I have not used any of her actual conversations with me on this post. These are my letters to her. My reason for doing this is that it may be able to reach out to others that can identify with the same circumstances, and be of some sort of help or encouragement. I have indications from others that it is doing just that.I do, and have, respected her choice, but I will not let her religion control our relationship.
Sentinel: Hi, I am trying to move forward with her and that is why it was important for me to apologize to both of my daughters. It was important as far as my own growth to let them know that I accept the responsibility of my mistake.
Sprocket: My heart is with you also. Your story sounds like mine, if you like you can find it, "My Story--witchywoman", love your name.
witchywoman
last week i sent a bunch of photos to mom.
today i got a short letter from her.
kinda floored me, never expected to hear from her.
Listen to your heart and do it. Be sure and let her know about all the little things going on with your boys. And be upbeat about it. She is not only missing out on you, but her little grandsons. If she is willing to give you an inch. Then God girl, reach out and take it. Take it, it might be the begining for the both of you. Good luck sweetie!
witchywoman
after going back and forth in e-mail with my jw daughter, i got a chance to tell her about the wts` scandal with the un.
me being a mom still wanted to try and make a difference in my daughters life.
so i sent her an e-mail, i talked about every day goings on.
Lis: Even though you posted on the other thread (I think there is a way to move it). The persons most hurt by dsfsping are those we are the closest to. I am sure it is only human to want to retaliate and punish with complete shunning. In order to give you back that hurt you are causing to them. Thanks honey you are a sweetie!
Scooter: How did we ever let these people reach into our homes and hearts, they have no business there.
witchywoman
Edited by - witchywoman on 6 August 2002 13:34:21
after going back and forth in e-mail with my jw daughter, i got a chance to tell her about the wts` scandal with the un.
me being a mom still wanted to try and make a difference in my daughters life.
so i sent her an e-mail, i talked about every day goings on.
Sunshine: My oldest is married and a jw. My youngest is neither. In understanding our relationship you can read " My story-witchywoman". I have only been able to speak to my daughter for the past 2 years.
I did realize that my letter could possibly alienate her from me. I have accepted an enormous amount of emotional blackmail from her for the past ten years. It was quite tiring. My stance was to let her know that the WTS could no longer affect me through her. It was her call to make, and I did let her. My daughter is by no means stupid, and has watched her father for many years play mind games with me.
I have not nor will I ever abandon my daughters. The WTS has had too much power for too long.
witchywoman
after going back and forth in e-mail with my jw daughter, i got a chance to tell her about the wts` scandal with the un.
me being a mom still wanted to try and make a difference in my daughters life.
so i sent her an e-mail, i talked about every day goings on.
zev: Thank you (again) for helping me. Perhaps someone within the watchtower walls that is shunning a parent or child will be able to relate and see their shunning from another perspective.
Lew: Congratulations to you, and to your daughters for getting their father back.
out: I believe that my daughter has learned that there is no one else who will love her as fiercly as her mother. She has always needed mothering, while my youngest was independant.
witchywoman
as a few may recall watchtower policy has changed when circumstances serves the interest of the governing body in getting rid of someone they want to railroad.
an example that has been offered involves peter gregerson.
peter was a personal friend to ray franz, in 1980 peter wrote a letter to the society, saying he wanted no further association with the organization.
You are an outstanding leader. There should be no reason for the cong. not to allow you to enter. I don`t understand why they would attempt to prevent it. Please be careful. If there is any way that you can possibly find someone to look out for you. If someone could possibly have a camera to record all of this. Hidden of course. A nuetral party to witness any sort of american injustice that might take place. It definately would not hurt your case.
Look them staight in the eyes. For all the sweet and innocent children, we love you and are with you.
witchywoman
after going back and forth in e-mail with my jw daughter, i got a chance to tell her about the wts` scandal with the un.
me being a mom still wanted to try and make a difference in my daughters life.
so i sent her an e-mail, i talked about every day goings on.
After going back and forth in e-mail with my jw daughter, I got a chance to tell her about the WTS` scandal with the UN. She let me know that she had no need to know any more about it. Me being a mom still wanted to try and make a difference in my daughters life. So I sent her an e-mail, I talked about every day goings on. And I also attatched this watchtower quote along with it: __________________________________________________________________________________
When persons are in great danger from a source that they do not suspect or are being misled by those they consider their friends, is it an unkindnes to warn them? They may prefer not to believe the warning. They may even resent it. But does that free one from the moral responsibility to give that warning?
--The Watchtower magazine, January 15, 1974
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Subject: What are you doing???
I will not post her actual reply, but she wanted to know what I was up to. She admitted that I was correct. She said that I clearly did not get her point made previously. What was my point? She has accused me of trying to take her faith from her, and that I should stop trying to. She has suggested that perhaps I would rather return the the strange relationship that we once had.
With that one paragraph from a watchtower mag. she was clearly angry.
And this was my response to her.
Good morning!
Nope, I will not be upset. I sure did get your point. Why would quoting the watchtower upset you? My point is that I have many regrets, and now at 45 feel that the majority of my youth was wasted.You have to have walked in my shoes to be able to understand what I mean. Yes my consciense now bothers me, not because of myself, (which I am angry for too) but because I have two beautiful daughters that I would do anything (well almost anything) for, and did. All of my life as a little girl I had always dreamed of my children and the things I wanted to do for them, which I sacrificied to serve Jehovah.I sacrificed so much more. In the end even after all these years I cannot believe that I had been duped.
I know you will not like this but I must speak from my heart and remember that I love you, and will always till there is no breath left in me. Always, always remember that. I have apologized to Amy for my naivity in raising her in a religion that I was so ignorant about. And now Mary I must, and have to, please let me, for I need to apologize to you for ALL of the small and simple things that most children think of and enjoy naturally everyday. I feel tremendous guilt and embarrasement now that I have deprived you of so many wonderful things that go along with childhood. You do and always have deserved them.
Yes my concern is simple, I am your mother. Many times when I am doing other things you cross my mind, and I can`t help it.
Now that you know how I feel I can only expect that you will need to do what is necessary for you. I don`t expect anything else from you other than to protect your faith. My concern for you is that of true happiness and fullfillment in your life, for YOU and not for someone or something else.
Please understand that I am not trying to put a strain on our relationship. In your heart you know that is not what you want either. The admonishmont is coming from another source. As things get worse the admonishment will only get stronger.
So in order to preserve your faith in the Society (should be bible) you must, and will be expected, expected to cut all ties with me. Unless they be that of official business.
Before I close, I want you to know that I will under no circumstance tolerate any more abuse from your religion. I hope that is clear. I will no longer tolerate any form of abuse from your religion. I do not accept emotional blackmail as a loving arrangement, and will not tolerate it.
I am sorry for all of the pain that I have caused you in your life. There is no way for me to take it back. I am sorry for all the pain and hurt that you have experienced on my behalf.
Please know that I tried to return to Jehovahs Witnesses, and went to the hall many times, only to leave in tears. I could not stomache it. I was worthy of destruction.
Remember that you are always in my heart, I love you and want the best for you. Nothing and no one can take that from me, for I will not let them. You are still that person that caused me so much discomfort when I was carrying you in the womb. I loved you then and I love you now.
Always love mom
I have one last thing to let you know.
I was not disfellowshipped for adultery, no. That did have bearing on the situation of course, but that was not the reason. I was disfellowshipped because I would not return to your father. All I ever wanted to do was to please Jehovah. Brother Foxx said I would not be.(disfellowshipped) He said it wasn`t likely.
-Chamblis, Foxx, Wilson
witchywoman
Edited by - witchywoman on 6 August 2002 14:23:24
This is tragic. I know of one. I had no idea that suicide was such an epidemic among the jws. It`s not hard for a thinking person to see why.
This dspsping that they do is not a loving provision from God.
So sad. You are right, more exposure of this sick cult is needed.
witchywoman
*** w65 7/1 391 what is required to understand the bible?
he does not impart his holy spirit and an understanding and appreciation of his word apart from his visible organization.
*** w67 10/1 587 finding freedom with jehovah's visible organization ***
Well according to the "watchtower" I don`t even need a bible.
How about this, what does the bible say about a watchtower?
Or better yet, what does the bible say about a publishing co.?
witchywoman