Posts by wokeup

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I just got back from my circuit assembly !

by 5go in

ok i have listed all the intresting and thought provoking things.

hear they are from a to z.

<----------- yep nothing.. .

wokeup

I too suffered thru it with my daughter and her family. The usual invocations to loyality and obedience to the leadership, The D.O. vilifying college in earnest.1914,1914, $5,000 expenses for 574 people to use of the old paid for assemblyhall. An 80 year old publisher who hasn't missed a meeting since 1945. Annonymous life stories of those who gave up 6 figure executive jobs to clean toilets(literally) at the same business in the name of putting first 'kingdom interests'. Jesus was mentioned briefly 5 times in 2 days. One speaker spoke highly about the organization 4 times in his prayer and thanked him for the 'life giving provisions' provided by the'slave'.

It was the dedication/baptism talk which stood out the most. Dedicating oneself, living up to that dedication thru works and associating with the f/s as manditory for salvation .No dedication scriptures cited as a prerequisite to baptism (are there any?) Not one baptism scripture cited. Only scripture was Phil.2:12 The speaker only mentioned Jesus once during the whole talk. Only to say he did NOT play a role in prayer. He was no 'switch board operator'.In his closing prayer closed it with 'thruyoursonandourkingchristjesusweofferthisprayeramen'. (flicker of new 'light'?) John 14:6 null and void?

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Does anyone else take Atenolol or Nitro-Glycerine?

by ohiocowboy in

i just got back from the doctor yesterday after discovering that my angina and valvular regurgitation from mitral valve prolapse are getting worse, and the angina lasting longer, and getting more intense.

i was on calan-(verapamil), but have now been switched to atenolol and nitro.

i was prescribed the nitro before, but never used it, as i was afraid to take it.

wokeup

My cardiologist prescribed atenolol about 5 years ago when I was plagued with 1,000 of PVC's a day, keeping me in a state of anxiety. My chest felt like I was on a roller coaster. I too have prolapsed mitral valve with regurgitation and had high blood pressure with diastolics running in the low 100's. The atenolol (50mg.) made my life normal again. My B/P has been stable. The PVC's occur rarely and overall I have to say the low pulse rate keeps me feeling pretty mellow.

Allen

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How many near death scary stuff happened to you?

by kls in

did you ever think that you should have died.

i mean like scary stuff that happened to you and wonder why you are still here .

i have had so many but the one's that stick out of my mind are ,when i took my son ( who was 16 at the time ) for a drive in my 1968 charger, when i heard a pop, i was going up a hill and all of a sudden flames started to shoot out of the hood.

wokeup

The flood of memories is pouring in, almost drowned at a Labor Day picnic in 69, nearly decapitated in 75, hit by a car in 76, nearly plummeted to my death coming down the Santa Cruz mountains on Hwy 17 with total brake failure one night in 78. Memory lane is killing me. Gotta stop while I'm ahead.

Allen

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How many near death scary stuff happened to you?

by kls in

did you ever think that you should have died.

i mean like scary stuff that happened to you and wonder why you are still here .

i have had so many but the one's that stick out of my mind are ,when i took my son ( who was 16 at the time ) for a drive in my 1968 charger, when i heard a pop, i was going up a hill and all of a sudden flames started to shoot out of the hood.

wokeup

How can I forget, I almost perished in a house fire 40 years ago.

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How many near death scary stuff happened to you?

by kls in

did you ever think that you should have died.

i mean like scary stuff that happened to you and wonder why you are still here .

i have had so many but the one's that stick out of my mind are ,when i took my son ( who was 16 at the time ) for a drive in my 1968 charger, when i heard a pop, i was going up a hill and all of a sudden flames started to shoot out of the hood.

wokeup

The first one I remember was in 1967, we lived next to the Southern Pacific Railroad tracks in East Menlo Park. I was goofing around on the tracks that shift next to the Bay about a half mile north of the old Dumbarten Bridge and an approaching train caused the tracks to move and pinned my foot. As the train bore down on me I thought I was a goner. As the train engineer jammed on the brakes I was hysterical . At the last second I pulled my foot out of the shoe and fell back onto the rocks. Needless to say, I never did that again.

In 1969 a friend of my dad who had a fishing boat had invited us to go fishing with him that Saturday off the San Francisco coast. The day before my mother had a bad feeling about it and backed out. Late the next day, word reached us that his boat had capsized and his body and another companion washed ashore.

Many more close calls over the past 35 years, I try to forget them.

Allen

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The Governing Body - Invisible and Impersonal

by truthseeker in

jw
friends

there used to be a time when one knew who the president of the watchtower society was, and with that in mind, one could sense some kind of leadership.

perhaps witnesses then, felt that "the society" was keeping up with jehovah's celestial chariot.

maybe you felt in the 80s and 90s that you had to keep "in step with jehovah's organization" because it was making bigger steps each year - and with each new release, maybe you felt "privileged" to be a part of the "spiritual paradise.".

wokeup

The organizations' leadership has for decades cultivated and carefully perpetuated the notion that their conjecture and speculation on the scriptures is Jehovah himself revealing his will to the party faithful. .

Their power comes from the perception by the R/F that governing body/faithful slave = Jehovah. It's not them speaking but God .

Group photos of old men bent over and in wheelchairs would shatter the aura and mystery associated with the ' faithful slave'. Owning up to the authorship of their articles by signing their names as one would find in other literary works would do much to shatter the image they have so long cultivated.

Allen

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What 'exactly' changed in Adam when he sinned?

by gumby in

according to the dubs, and other faiths, adam was created with no defects of any kind.

he was created with no sin.

then adam sinned.

wokeup

To me what changed was Adams relationship with the Father . As a result, he was not allowed back into the Garden to partake of the ' tree of life'. Had Adam remained faithful, no doubt he would at some point and time partook of it and live forever. This has always been my conclusion based on the turning sword placed at the entrance after the fall. Following that, then the slow deteriation of the physical body took place. This is just speculation but perhaps the fruit on the ' tree of life' contained some enzyme or gene that would cause his body to perfectly repair itself to prevent the deteriation of the once perfect human specimen.

Allen

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Please help with list of ways WTBTS has gone beyond scriptures...

by FlyingHighNow in

i want to compile a list of ways the wtbts has gone beyond scripture.

deciding that god will destroy you forever if you smoke cigarettes.

i know someone will come back and say there have been 900 threads on this subject.

wokeup

Couldn't resist. Perhaps :

1) Shutting up the Kingdom: of the Heavens to mankind since 1935 by setting up an artificial date.

Mat. 23:13

2) Substituting themselves (GB) as the 'sole channel' between God and humankind instead of Jesus.

Gal.6:3, 1Tim 2:5

3) Guilty of Organizational Idolatry, substituting a billion dollar publishing corporation as ' the way, the truth and the life' instead of Jesus.

John 14:6, 2 Cor.11:15, 1 Cor.10:14,15

4) Cultivating dependence upon a myriad of books and magazines which elevates the opinions of men as divine revelations from God.

2 Tim. 3:16

5) False prophecy. Mat.24:11, Deut.18:20 need not get explicit do to the obvious.

6) Unscriptural 'Class' system imposed upon members. Acts 10:34

7) Substituting a pseudo 'Good News' in place of the 2,000 yr. old Gospel . 1 Cor.15:4, Gal.1:6-9, Col.1:5,6

8) Judging the millions of Christians in the world for having the false hope of putting faith in Jesus, wrongly believing they belong to him, and dare think of going to heaven, and oh no!, have not apostasized from their current belief system to be a JW James 4:12, Eph.4:4,

9) Ignoring Rev.22:18,19 (They have an exemption card)

10) To imply that Gods' Word and his Spirit are somehow impetent since 1914 and that Jesus set up an instrument for people to put faith in and obey for salvation in these last days.

11) Vilify ,label and shun anyone who realizes the above and exposes them for who they are.

Allen

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What will the Watchtower do when all of the "annoited class" pass away ???

by run dont walk in

now, i am referring to the group before the 1935 cut-off date, will it even matter to them, because they is still a lot of "replacements" around you have replaced those who fell away.. another question, "could someone die, be brought up to heaven to help rule, and fall away up there ???".

watchtower's "new light" hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. or maybe another "new" heavenly class ???.

any thoughts .....................

wokeup

Jesus said the end would be cut short for the sake of the 'chosen ones'. Since the ruling party has referred to themselves as the 'chosen ones' they will never die off. Otherwise they would have to recieve 'new light' and pass the brass ring to the 'Given Ones' and extend the title to the 'spirit appointed' class Allen

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Two most important doctrines of JW's.

by Mr Bean in

1. you will believe in the sacrifice of jesus christ.

2. you will believe in god's anointed,directed and inspired organization.. .

in case you are not sure, study baptismal questions.. .

wokeup

I've always percieved the 2 most important doctrines by the society as:

1) The Bible and Gods' Spirit are no longer sufficient to adequately direct Christians after 2 melliniums, requiring a 3rd party aka...F/S

And the 2nd fits nicely into the first

2) Upon the closing of the Kingdom of the Heavens by Rutherford in 1935, they in effect denied Jesus' role as mediator to the rest of humanity thus substituting themselves as quasi mediators eg... sole channel God is using.

As a result of this 'coming into Jehovahs' organization' is substituted for belong to the Christ, his 'body' and thus the need to be baptized into the organization rather than into Christ. What had started out decades ago as a means has become the end for the pursuit of salvation in the religion.

This in my opinion, is Idolatry, pure and simple.

Allen