To my friend Mr. Flipper, Thank you for bringing this thread back. I'm only able to check the site very rarely and I'm glad I checked today because as you and all the other posters on this thread have correctly pointed out: the WT is responsible for the lives they destroyed with their purposefully deceptive 1975 prediction. I remember that time very well as I was 14 at the time. I remember and still have all the books and magazines and km's that promoted the 1975 lie: the so-called "truth book" "mans salvation out of world distress at hand" book, the "life everlasting book", the "god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached" book, the WT of 3/15/1969 page 171, which said, "Do not pursue higher education. There is very little time left! Make pioneer service, the full-time ministry with the possibility of Bethel or missionary service, your goal." Another book that falsely promoted the lie of 1975 was the "paradise restored to mankind by theocracy" book. As has been mentioned there are so many references that promoted and predicted the 1975 lie. I was a 3rd generation witness and I remember hearing my parents talk sometimes about people who left the borg when the 1975 lie was proved wrong. My father was an elder and although he and my mother were always faithful witnesses, they never actually sounded negative when they talked about some family friends who left. They had more of a curious tone when speaking about the situation. But of course the indoctrination that all of us experienced is what won out. As for me, I was too busy going through my teenage stuff (girls, clothes, cruising at conventions with my jw friends, discovering parties, etc.), to have really cared that much at the time. But I know and remember that the 1975 lie caused massive dissension and my family knew people who were disappointed and left and were subsequently called "apostates" when they rebelled against the 1975 lie, when that year passed and there was no "Armageddon". And I hope that newer witnesses are reading this thread. They just have no clue about what went on in the past. They are just not integrated with the watchtower society's past publications that prove beyond any doubt that the corrupt watchtower society manipulates the bicameral tendencies in people in order to enslave people mentally, get their money and resources, so that they, the wt, can perpetuate their easy parasitical lifestyle. Out here in New York City, the borg has the rank and file sitting and standing with big picture displays and large tables filled with literature in every major subway station in the city: Grand Central Station, 34th Street Pennsylvania Station, 59th Street Columbus Circle. 14th Street Union Square, Roosevelt Ave 74th Street in Jamaica Queens. These displays are provided by the watchtower society and they are out there almost every day, and in several locations within the same subway subway station. This started about 1 1/2 years ago and I have been told by the jdubs that this is a new initiative started by the borg. Of course, hardly anybody pays attention to them. They end up just standing there for hours looking sheepish. And when I see them, I just sigh and say to myself:" if only they could integrate their minds with the reality of the wt, such as with the 1975 lie, they might actually start to think for themselves. OR MAYBE NOT! I really do hope that current witnesses, new or old are reading this thread. IF YOU ARE A CURRENT JEHOVAHS WITNESS AND YOU ARE READING THIS,PAY ATTENTION TO ALL THE COMMENTS HERE! DO SOME RESEARCH IN THE OLDER PUBLICATIONS MENTIONED BY EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD! WAKE UP AND THINK! OR AS THE WACKY PACKAGES FROM THE 1970'S SAID: THIMK!!!!!!! Thank you Mr. Flipper for starting this thread about one of the watchtower society's most corrupt deceptions
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140WT Society holds EXTREME Responsibility for 1975 and False Expectations
by flipper inhowever- many jw's who have come into the jw organization from like 1985 forward virtually may have no knowledge of the wt society's 1975 debacle and false predictions of the end times or armageddon predictions.
just like in in the book 1984 by george orwell the wt society has a way of not only erasing it's history so no newer witnesses will be aware of their false predictions, but also they are re-writing their history as if those false predictions never happened.. so for those of you here who may have never read or heard of how whipped up into an emotional frenzy witnesses were in the years just before 1975 by the wt society claiming the end was any day now- this threads for you.
to see the pressure that was put on jw's by the wt society to get rid of everything before " armageddon " .
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Who are the REAL demons behind the Watchtower?
by Dogpatch ini apologize for not writing much of anything in several weeks.. did you miss me?
(don't answer that!).
i am doing pretty good now after going through the worst year of my 60 years of life... but in order to make some changes that will enable me to keep working, i really had to take time off to take care of medical issues (mostly my spine - destroyed after 30 years spending 10-12 hours a day on the computer).
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Hi Randy,
I really enjoyed that update. Ever since I left the borg back in 1999 and found out about your website, I always enjoyed the vast amount of information on it and have used it many times to help inform others, including members of my family who left the borg soon after I left the borg. I was always amazed at how much work you must have put have been putting into your website and Freeminds publications. I still have the ones I received back in 1999 and 2000. In your post above I enjoyed reading about your goal to help cripple the wt's influence. There is no doubt that because of the work you have done, you have inspired so many to join in the same noble goal. Thank you so much for all you have done and continue to do.
Worf (proud to be an ex-jw and ex-jw elder)
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Jehovah's Witnesses dismayed by new magazine format from Watchtower Society.
by Balaamsass inwow.
i was surprised this week by calls from active jws complaining about the new magazine format, and more begging for money from the platform.. frankly i was surprized by this reaction since this is old news to jwn members.
i guess actually shuffling to the bookroom and grabbing the new "awake tracts" minus the inside cover forward ...awakened many sleepy, catatonic, bored jws who never read the things or go on the internet anyway.. any feedback from other areas?.
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To: wha happened?
Thanks. Good seeing you again as well.
Worf
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Jehovah's Witnesses dismayed by new magazine format from Watchtower Society.
by Balaamsass inwow.
i was surprised this week by calls from active jws complaining about the new magazine format, and more begging for money from the platform.. frankly i was surprized by this reaction since this is old news to jwn members.
i guess actually shuffling to the bookroom and grabbing the new "awake tracts" minus the inside cover forward ...awakened many sleepy, catatonic, bored jws who never read the things or go on the internet anyway.. any feedback from other areas?.
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worf
Hello everyone,
This is my first post in many years. From time to time I read a little of the latest topics and I am enjoying all the comments on this topic and with a lot of laughs also. Thanks and even the comments that have made me laugh are so true.
Ziddina, I can relate to your points about the assemblies. I'm 51 and I remember all the assemblies/conventions that were 7 days long here in New York at Yankee Stadium. I remember they started at about 9am and went on until after 9pm. FOR SEVEN DAYS! Every year! And the long prayers! I recall at Yankee Stadium, Shea Stadium, Aqueduct, and Belmont Racetracks, that during those loooooooonnnnnnnnng prayers, I had to keep opening my eyes to keep my balance from falling ahead, especially if sitting high up at the stadiums. I remember the food tents at Yankee Stadium where hot food was cooked on the spot. Meatloaf, mashed potatoes, vegetables, etc.
Of course, what a waste it all turned out to be.
As for this new awake, this is the first I've heard about it, and as many posters have pointed out, it all just shows that the wt is continuing to go down, they have nothing left, they're trying to hold on to those who are still brainwashed, and those who are still fully drinking the koolaid will continue to say"Wow! The end is really close now! Those who are upset over this new awake are probabaly having their lights turned on to some extent to let them see that wt is nothing more than what all of us so-called apostates (and we are proud of it), have been pointing out for years: A fraud, and one of the biggest, if not the biggest fraud on the planet. Hopefully as all these changes continue to occur, maybe some will finally apply fully integrated honesty and some wide scope thinking about the wt, and stop wasting their lives there and get out.
My mom is still in (reluctantly). We talk many times and I'm going ask her about this new awake format and waht was said.
To: Metatron : Hello. It has been a long time. To: WTWizard: Hello my NT brother.
Worf
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Theodore Jaracz of the Governing Body died this morning
by Altar ego inbro.
jaracz died this morning, wednesday, june 9, 2010 at about 7:30 am.
he was 84 years old.
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worf
I have not been on this board in a long time.
Just found out that jaracz is dead.
Glad the bastard known as theodore jaracz is gone! FOR GOOD!
WORF
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active jw's visiting here?
by Ronnie38 ini was just curious---.
i assume that there are active jws that visit here.. any idea on the percent that the board has?
does it just seem to be a very few or is it a substantial number?.
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worf
rosalee and reniaa: Both of you are not even worth it.
Everything you have posted are non-sequitors.
Use your wikipedia to get the meaning of that word.
Worf
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active jw's visiting here?
by Ronnie38 ini was just curious---.
i assume that there are active jws that visit here.. any idea on the percent that the board has?
does it just seem to be a very few or is it a substantial number?.
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rosalee,
Not only are you unintegrated, but you are a liar. You did call me names. You called me disgruntled and short.
Those are names.
And you have not validly addressed any issues about so-called apostates yet. Why? Because you can't. You need further direction from mommy borg.
Short and disgruntled applies to the members of your governing body. Especially theodore jaracz.
Worf
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active jw's visiting here?
by Ronnie38 ini was just curious---.
i assume that there are active jws that visit here.. any idea on the percent that the board has?
does it just seem to be a very few or is it a substantial number?.
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I think you have to give worf some latitude. He seems like a disgruntled, short man trying to look big with large text.
His point is valid about apostasy .. in a way. The difference is that I see him as an apostate because he has rejected the 'true' religion.
rosalee,
I don't need your latitude. And you can call me as many names as you want to. It doesn't matter to me. Obviously you can't deal with the real truth.
The meaning of apostate that I posted is totally valid.
The fact is that when you apply fully integrated honesty, and wide scope accounting to the wts, reality reveals the wts
as nothing more than a pseudo-religion, a book publishing company, a weak social club, and the most evil cult ever to appear on
this planet. The wts and it so called "leaders", to whom you and reniaa continue to prostrate yourselves to with the willingness of
cows in heat, are guilty of murder and rape, (see Mexico/Malawi), pedophilia, (see Dateline, Silentlambs.com, Court Cases), the
tearing apart of countless families based on a disfellowshipping policy that has no basis in scripture, suicides (see Crisis of
Conscience and In Search Of Christian Freedom, or just put JW suicides in your search engine), etc. etc. etc.
Yes rosalee, your coveted borganization is not what you like to think it is. Its a fraud. And as long as you continue to be part of it
and promote it, and praise it, you are a fraud too. Oh, and your cow partner in heat reniaa is also a fraud.
Worf
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To SO CAL: What CO's and DO's do we all know?
by IreallydidwalkoutofaKH inokay, in order it goes like this for me............brother peace 1980-83, brother rose 1984-86, brother yasko 1986-88, brother sekella 1988-91, brother billy ford 1992-95, brother davis 1996-99, brother irskin 2000-03 and then it gets kinda blurry....brother burge and another, brother hairston.
okay, that just about does it.
i have this topic becauce i tried reading the favorite co and do thread, but did not recognize any names......
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Starting Over,
J.C. Howard was also our DO in New York City back in the mid to late 80's along with CO Carl F.Dyson. (Slicin Dyson) as he was known.
I am really interested to find out if J.C. Howard is disfellowshipped.
Worf
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active jw's visiting here?
by Ronnie38 ini was just curious---.
i assume that there are active jws that visit here.. any idea on the percent that the board has?
does it just seem to be a very few or is it a substantial number?.
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To Rosalee,
Okay. I will enlighten you.
An apostate is person who exchanges one belief system for another.
That is the correct definition of an apostate.
Therefore, there are thousands upon thousands of current jws, including elders, ministerial servants, circuit overseers, district overseers, and other wt officials, within the wts who are actually apostates, because they exchanged their former belief system for the jw belief system.
And for your information, the watchtower society and its teachings are nothing but another belief system. Thats all.
Worf ( who is not an apostate because he did not exchange the former belief system of the washtowel society for another)