ok - i'm still fairly new here so don't throw tomatoes......... but what is the "unseen apostate directorate" that i see on some of your signature lines?
i'm curious.
SYN: Like your new profile pic!
pssst...the supplies are on their way
And the eagle flies at midnight!
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
to anyone out there who is a listening ear and may be of assistance-.
as some of you know, my brother and his wife are shunning me because i da myself from the jw.
subsequently i do not have a relationship with my 1 yr old nephew, and i haven't had a relationship with my brother for some time now.. surprisingly, he has agreed to sit and discuss some of the jw teachings with me, and the topic came up of the 1975 fiasco.. now i wasnt even born yet, and my brother was 2 years old.
Just a thought....another 'false prophecy', but one they blamed less obviously - was the whole generation of 1914 thing. That was another doctrinal change they made back in ?91? and subsequently blamed the R&F for trying to draw conclusions based on the average human lifespan. (The quote is ambiguous - either they blamed the R&F for the wrong conclusion, or blamed the entire org including themselves. Either way, it WAS a prophecy they made - became obvious it wouldn't come true, and they backtracked on it).
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
ive been as occasional lurker here for a little while, trying to get oriented.
my theocratic autobiography: my mother became a jehovahs witness when i was approx.
10. my father opposed this, but they still live together to this day.
AlanF - I would put forth that each person may be different on this. It was, in fact, the astounding evidence in favor of evolution (and, specifically, the direct contradiction with what is known of the order life came to the earth with what is in Genesis) that was part of what started me questioning the org.
Of course, the orgs inflexible "Sorry, we're always right, you're always wrong, go away" policies became very evident then.
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
ive been as occasional lurker here for a little while, trying to get oriented.
my theocratic autobiography: my mother became a jehovahs witness when i was approx.
10. my father opposed this, but they still live together to this day.
evidence for evolution just seems so open to interpretation
Visit talkorigins.org (really, do, VERY GOOD SITE - go to the 'archive' page and read the "FAQ" - lots of good stuff summarized in it)
In short, abiogenesis (that life arose from non-life) might be in question. (IE., there are decent arguments on both sides)
Evolution itself, though, isn't. Fossil evidence shows it has happened. Experiments and observation prove it STILL IS happening. Common sense dictates it will continue to happen.
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
song 113 - "we are jehovah's witnesses".
i've seen pics of sharon stone.
celebreties i'd love to bone.
I suspect that was 'Singing Kingdom Melodies with the Captain & Tennille'
At least, the instrumental part of it.... [8>]
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
mrmoe got me thinking... is it just me, or does a disproportionate number of apostates smoke?.
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"as every one knows, there are mistakes in the bible" - the watchtower, april 15, 1928, p. 126 .
I have left the JWs and now is a pagan -- I don't smoke.
In fact, this last Saturday marks the 1 years anniversary from the same day last year. When I didn't smoke. Or the year before that...when I didn't.......wait.....I *never* smoked! Oh, sorry, nevermind.....
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
song 113 - "we are jehovah's witnesses".
i've seen pics of sharon stone.
celebreties i'd love to bone.
Angharad:
Must've been something they passed around. We had a CO do that once, too. Funny thing was, people were SOO bored (and use to singing it how they usually did), they kept forgetting to stop singing parts. Which confused the other half of the group, so they didn't start right away - THEN tried to 'catch up'. OMG...it sounded AWFUL. You know the cacophony of a hall just before everyone sits down? Imagine slightly *slightly* organized to music.
LOL!
(We had another CO that divided the hall into two group by seating - must've figured it would be easier for everyone to figure out that way....NOPE! LOLOL!)
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
i was wondering if i am considered one by the wt defintion.
i have never been a jw in my life but i disagree with their doctrine.
are all the "worldies" considered "apostates" or just the ex jws?
a·pos·tate Pronunciation Key (-pstt, -tt)
n.
One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
apostate
\A*pos"tate\, n. [L. apostata, Gr. ?, fr. ?. See Apostasy.] 1. One who has forsaken the faith, principles, or party, to which he before adhered; esp., one who has forsaken his religion for another; a pervert; a renegade.
2. (R. C. Ch.) One who, after having received sacred orders, renounces his clerical profession.
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
wanted to be sure my fluff was clearly labeled as such.. something in chat last night got me to thinking about some of the strange mixed drinks i have willingly partaken of over the years.see if anybody can beat these.... (4) trash can punch-usually mixed in large quantities consisting of red hawaiian punch,mello yellow,pieces of fresh fruit,and ample quanities of everclear.
(3)cherry limeaides w/vodka.
(2)dr pepper w/brandy.
Dunno, Haereticus, they have non-alcoholic light beers on sale, too....and.....*blech*. I mean, really...that's just....*blech*
Why would you EVEN???
Just dunno...more of a nice, dark, red wine guy, myself, though, so....(or stouts for other occasions).
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
i was wondering if i am considered one by the wt defintion.
i have never been a jw in my life but i disagree with their doctrine.
are all the "worldies" considered "apostates" or just the ex jws?
Depends, do you know the secret handshake?
(the definition of apostate is one who rejects their faith, cause, political party, etc. So, unless you WERE a witness, believed their teachings, then rejected it, you don't really fit the technical definition.)
Xander F
(Unseen Apostate Directorate of North America - Ohio order)A fanatic is one who, upon losing sight of his goals, redoubles his efforts.
--George Santayana
