today i questioned my mother about the fact that she told me ?
yrs ago how she lost 2 kids through a miscarriage but then later told me she aborted them,well i didnt know what to say, but then later questioned her about this i asked her why she did it, she told me that she was already bringing up me and my sister and financialy impossible to look after two more kids,well i didnt agree with that reason or any reason to kill the unborn she then said she wasnt in the truth then "huh what difference does that make".
then she gave an illustration of reasons when you should condone abortion and it goes like this, if you were raped and later found out you were pregnant what would you do she seemed to say she would abort it,i said i wouldnt if that happened to my wife i said i would probably end up having it adopted,after all its better than murder.. how has this affected my familys view on abortion i wonder, well i have 5 sisters and 1 more brother,and already my brother in cold blood made his girlfriend abort hers due to the inconvienience,and also my older sister had hers aborted 2 yrs ago because the father didnt want to know with out a hint of regret,so im now starting to see a pattern in my family,whos to blame them or my mother as a role model.. so to cut a long story short do you think killing an unborn child is murder,would you do it under certain scenarios.
But I can't approve of abortion, if for no other reason than it just doesn't seem fair to make the unborn suffer for the mistakes of a couple of adults
I thought we aready covered this, but...
Would you mind explaining exactly how much suffering you think something with no nervous system experiences?
Would that be 'none'? Yes, I think that's the correct answer...
ok...3 days ago, i found out that i was going to be a father!!
good new right?
well then she says that she is considering having an abortion...which i am totally against....so we discussed it...then she started to think that she might have the child....so she talked it over with her twin sister...and she told her to get the abortion...now she says she wants the abortion...now i am upset...not onlly does she want the abortion...but she wants me to pay for the entire thing...so not only am i going to be terminating a developing life...but i have to pay for it????
I would be interested to know where you got that number from.
The 60%-80% number is commonly accepted, and available at many sites, including:
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic6.htm
Where we read:
Many pregnancies are not viable, with an estimated loss of 50% before the first missed menstrual period. These pregnancies usually are not clinically recognized. Classic spontaneous abortion is defined as a clinically recognized (ie, by blood test, ultrasound) pregnancy loss before the 20th week of gestation. Spontaneous abortion occurs in an estimated 10-15% of pregnancies.
And, later:
Age and increased parity affect the risk of a miscarriage. Twelve percent of pregnancies terminate in miscarriage in women younger than 20 years; frequency increases to 26% in women older than 20 years.
So, about 60-65% of conceptions result in spontaneous abortion, rising to 76% for women over 20.
This, to say the least, presents something of a crisis for fundies.
I mean, how can you justify a loving god that cherishes all human life with the creation of a system that results in the 'murder' (as said fundies would have it) of up to 76% of all humans right off the bat?
Either a fetus does NOT have a soul from the moment of conception, and thus does not need the amount of protection under law, etc., that an adult receives. Or, it DOES, and 'god' has designed a woman's reproductive systems as a baby butchering factory. (I realize how awful that sounds, and I apologize in advance to any who are offended - but it DOES accurately describe the situation).
just wondering - new game out, developed by the us army.
it's based on the unreal tournament 2003 engine, so it looks pretty good.
decent gameplay, a lot of innovative features for shooters.. best of all, it's free.. wondering if anyone else has taken a shot at it yet?
Ehhh...that's alright. They're using it as a marketing tool - only 'Recon', the demo, is out for download now. Come this fall, there will be a MASSIVE distribution effort of it - it will be shipped with most game mags, etc.
BTW, part of the reason for this post...there ARE a few things about it I'm not quite keen on.
This is my first 'semi-realistic' shooter - usually I'm a Tribes man, so my gripes would be....
- Lack of maps. Yeah, this'll be fixed eventually, but I kinda like this whole 'reality shooter' thing, and the half dozen maps AA:R comes with just isn't enough
- Sloppy net code. Yeah, I'm on 56k, so sue me. But I can find well over 100 T2 servers with a ping of less than 125 - I count myself lucky to find an AA:R server with a ping of 400! Most are in the 1000-2000 range!
- SLOW! I spend *so much* time dead, it's not even funny. Would respawning after a brief amount of 'dead time' be so bad?
SO....how do CS and R6 stack up?
Edited by - Xander on 15 August 2002 15:34:50
just wondering - new game out, developed by the us army.
it's based on the unreal tournament 2003 engine, so it looks pretty good.
decent gameplay, a lot of innovative features for shooters.. best of all, it's free.. wondering if anyone else has taken a shot at it yet?
I did not pass this level,even after several tries...
Really?
It's only 23 of the 40 targets?
Did you crouch and zoom in before shooting? It helps stabilize the shot some - also, if you time the shot with your breathing (when laying prone), it shoots truer.
(In any case, with the latest patch, you don't actually even have to qualify for basic marksmanship to get the M4 on most servers)
just wondering - new game out, developed by the us army.
it's based on the unreal tournament 2003 engine, so it looks pretty good.
decent gameplay, a lot of innovative features for shooters.. best of all, it's free.. wondering if anyone else has taken a shot at it yet?
Hmmm...too bad. It's more CPU intensive than vid card intensive.
Kind of a neat game. They force you to play by ROE - if you do too much 'friendly fire' you get kicked + banned. You can't pick whichever uber-weapon you want - you are assigned one (you can select a preferred weapon, but you don't get it unless you are qualified for it and performed well in previous rounds).
You can only carry ONE main weapon (although you can have another slung over your shoulder) - so no uber-soldiers like some other games have where each person carries an entire arsenal.
Lot of nice touches to it.
my sharpshooting skills were not good enough.
That's okay - the sniper rifle really isn't much use on most maps. As long as you pass for basic marksmanship, you can get access to the M4, the M16 and M249, which are all the guns you really need.
Edited by - Xander on 15 August 2002 15:0:37
just wondering - new game out, developed by the us army.
it's based on the unreal tournament 2003 engine, so it looks pretty good.
decent gameplay, a lot of innovative features for shooters.. best of all, it's free.. wondering if anyone else has taken a shot at it yet?
Just wondering - new game out, developed by the US Army. It's based on the Unreal Tournament 2003 engine, so it looks pretty good. Decent gameplay, a lot of innovative features for shooters.
Best of all, it's free.
Wondering if anyone else has taken a shot at it yet?
ok...3 days ago, i found out that i was going to be a father!!
good new right?
well then she says that she is considering having an abortion...which i am totally against....so we discussed it...then she started to think that she might have the child....so she talked it over with her twin sister...and she told her to get the abortion...now she says she wants the abortion...now i am upset...not onlly does she want the abortion...but she wants me to pay for the entire thing...so not only am i going to be terminating a developing life...but i have to pay for it????
First off, I was referring to post conception. I am not against birth control.
That IS post conception.
80% of conceptions fail within the first 6 weeks.
we are discussing the human rights of a fetus which is post conception
See above.
ok...3 days ago, i found out that i was going to be a father!!
good new right?
well then she says that she is considering having an abortion...which i am totally against....so we discussed it...then she started to think that she might have the child....so she talked it over with her twin sister...and she told her to get the abortion...now she says she wants the abortion...now i am upset...not onlly does she want the abortion...but she wants me to pay for the entire thing...so not only am i going to be terminating a developing life...but i have to pay for it????
If the chances are more than minimal, then they deserve human rights
Well, that's an interesting argument. "More than minimal"? You realize 80% of conceptions fail right out of the gate, as it were? That means you're already dealing with only a 20% chance of said 'group of cells' developing into a human. Factor in other birth defects, incompatibilities with the mother, accidents, etc. - it's a small wonder we can reproduce at all (I think persistence in attempting makes up for a lot ).
I think there ARE other criteria - but I don't think 'more than minimal chance of progressing into a fully functioning person' is it.
i try to keep up with all the exploding developments in science.
but this one shocked me.. the sept. 2002 issue of wired magazine is claiming that a bionic.
eye has been created that is interfaced directly into the visual.
What is ironical?
The irony, I would think, is in this being an article on a bionic eye.
Your response being, essentially, "I'll believe it when I see it".
Bionic eye. See it.
Funny, no?
recently there was a kh fire in washington state; now today another is reported, that one in brunswick, maine causing an estimated $200,000 damages.
the story is entitled: "fire damages church; cause investigated.".
http://www.portland.com/news/coast/020814fire.shtml
I think religious intolerance manifested in any kind of violence is wrong
That's an interesting statement.
You're overriding assumption, of course, is that this couldn't possibly be an insurance scam of some kind. I mean, we all know how trustworthy every member of the JWs are, right?
