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France is a "Pain in the Ass"

by JH in

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i changed my topic to this:.

why does france always go against britain and us policies?

should we still consider france as an ally?

Xander

Using the military to hand out deliberately smallpox infected blankets to American Indians = biological warfare.

you let your engine explode before you change the oil

How can you even compare the two things? Does the US own the planet? Is every human being US property, and thus, the US's responsibility to look out for their future well being?

How would your neighbors like it if they came home, and you were inside their house, uninvited, changing things on their computer because you thought your settings were better? Or if you felt you needed to walk up and down the street in a neighborhood that has told you repeatedly you are NOT welcome, tinkering with everyone's car engines?

you want someone to attack us before we do anything about them

In what world do you live where you think you have the right to act against anyone you feel just because they MIGHT be a threat to you someday?

Do you load up your pistol and walk down the street shooting people in the face so you don't have to worry about them robbing your house while you're away?

Are we really no better than 'hit them back first'?!?!

What are we, barbarians?!?!?

Edited by - Xander on 23 January 2003 17:34:18

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France is a "Pain in the Ass"

by JH in

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friends

i changed my topic to this:.

why does france always go against britain and us policies?

should we still consider france as an ally?

Xander

we are sooo bad for dropping a Nuke on them

And, again, you neglect to read my whole post. I'll try and keep this one short so you don't miss anything again.

What I object to is us taking this 'holier-than-thou' attitude with Iraq. HE USED NBC WEAPONS. SO WHAT. SO DID WE. Why is it 'okay' for us to when it suits us, but not him?

If he attacked us, fine, retaliate. HE HASN'T.

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France is a "Pain in the Ass"

by JH in

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friends

i changed my topic to this:.

why does france always go against britain and us policies?

should we still consider france as an ally?

Xander

I hardly consider Agent Orange gassing anyone.

Oh, really? Volunteering, then?

And I notice you dodged the use of the atom bombs on Japan. We not only hold the monopoly on nukes used in warfare, last I checked, we were the only nation to engage in biological warfare, as well (smallpox + Indians, anyone?). So, what, we get to use WMDs whenever we feel we need to, against OUR own natives, if needed, but no other country is allowed?

(And as to the inevitable 'Well, that was a different time, we matured since then' argument - yes, it was. And yes, arguably we have - a little bit. Surely we must allow other countries to do the same? Doesn't bombing someone back to the stone age for committing 'crimes' WE ALREADY COMMITTED just seem a *tiny* bit wrong to you?)

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Perhaps what pisses me off the most about most arguments against Iraq boils down more to what is said by implication that by words.

What most of you are arguing - by implication, mind you - I'm not saying anyone says this directly is:

"We are oh-so-pure with lily-white hands, clean, holy, and righteous in every action we take against the unwashed heathens! Woe to them! For we alone are fit to judge the world in our wholesome purity, having never experienced the stain of sin and never a misguided action taken!"

It's that "We're always right, you're always wrong, do what we say or else" attitude that makes me ill. And, who is it even to say that it is our duty to force democracy on other countries? (If, indeed, that was the US motive here - it is obviously not) The people CAN choose their government. When the 13 colonies had enough of dictatorship, they revolted to form what would become the US - fighting against the (then) most powerful nation on earth. Who is Saddam and his cronies compared to the might of the Brittish Empire at the height of its power?

We have NO RIGHT to invade other countries for ANY action they take short of attacking us directly.
We have NO RIGHT to impose OUR system of government OR our beliefs on any other country just because some here think it's "better". Time will tell who is right about government systems, it is not our place to meddle!

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"The simBible Book of Job"or"A T...

by Xander in

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this is totally roflmao:.

Xander

This is totally ROFLMAO:

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America's Illusions of Grandeur

by pettygrudger in

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regardless of how complicated everyone wants to make the iraq situation, there is one point that continuously seems to be ignored or overlooked in all the debating going on....that is the fact that bush has said he will go with or without the un's support.

he has also said we're going with or without the citizen's of america's support.. wmd - you can say these words over & over again, but it remains painstakingly clear that saddam has never used these weapons against the united states - nor could he at this point.

in fact, he has only used them "defensively".he'd be lucky to get them over to isreal (look at the gulf war - how many scud's actually hit?).

Xander

I wonder sometimes which American city some people would like Saddam to attack before they felt the US had justification for going after him?

Good reasoning! Damn fine! Well, you know what, *I* wonder sometimes which American city some people would like Chirac to attack before they felt the US had justificiation for going after France, damnit!

I mean, the French have done just as much against as Iraq has! No, more even! The French have actually invaded American soil in the past! Iraq has never attacked the US or any US city, so DOWN WITH THE FRENCH!!!

And, while we're at it, let's get the Chinese, too. And the Russians. And, and.....

You see, it just doesn't work. If we start attacking people just because they MIGHT be a threat to us MAYBE at some point in the future....

Well, that's the justification Hitler used with Germans to start World War II. Do you really, REALLY want to go down that road?

used against Adolf Hitler...after all he was just 'one man'

C'mon, DE, that's bullshit and you know it. Hitler could not have gotten NEARLY as far as he did if he did not have a LOT of things Saddam doesn't have:

Charisma - like it or not, Hitler was charismatic and had the support of almost all the German people. Saddam does NOT
Intelligence - in war, at least, Hitler was an above average tacticial. Saddam has proven he is most certainly not.
Allies - could Germany have gotten ANYWHERE in WW2 if not for the alliance with Italy, Japan, and Russia? No one is allying with Iraq!

You may as well be saying 'That argument could be used against SATAN! And SATAN was just one man, and look what he did to humanity!' It would be just as valid a comparison (IE., completely groundless).

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France & Germany Take the Same Stance

by MrMoe in

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html

france, germany stand firm on iraq.

wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).

Xander

Really?

You think they care so little for their own populations that, although they are in imminent danger from a 'raving lunatic madman', they are willing to put their entire countries in jeopardy, their whole population and their history on the line, just to piss the US off?

Or, is it maybe, that they are not run by bureaucrats who've sunk billions of dollars into oil in the region and led by a leader with a chip on his shoulder to finish his fathers war, and can thus see things a little more objectively?

'Everyone is wrong but us'? Gawsh, where have I seen THAT reasoning before....

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France is a "Pain in the Ass"

by JH in

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i changed my topic to this:.

why does france always go against britain and us policies?

should we still consider france as an ally?

Xander

since when? since 9/11

Did you even read the rest of my post? Guess not, well hell, I can run with this....

SO, by your reasoning, it's okay for us our allies to fund terrorists? Support attacks on other nations? Until suddenly, someone returns the favor? Then, suddenly, it's all "whoah, time out, back up here, terrorism is WRONG now!"

Noble attitude to have. Punching people in the face is only okay until you sock your enemy a good one. Then, just when he gets up to punch you, it's wrong. Very convenient.

My point, that you obviously don't want to address, is that the US has supported just as much terrorism as Iraq has, and neither nation had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks.

So, if your justification for war is "They need to have had something to do with 9/11", well, sorry, that's not Iraq. If, on the other hand, your justification for war is "They support terrorism"....oops, your own government is just as guilty.

Have we gassed anyone lately

Vietnam ring any bells? Or, do we have to only account for the last 20 years, 30 years back too far?

Or, perhaps, 60 years? How many countries have dropped nuclear weapons on civilian populations?

And we are in a position to judge others then, how?

Edited by - Xander on 23 January 2003 12:6:32

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France & Germany Take the Same Stance

by MrMoe in

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html

france, germany stand firm on iraq.

wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).

Xander

He watches films of rapes of his political enemies as a form of entertainment

Of course he does, and you know that how?

Oh, wait, you mean that's propoganda against him you were TOLD.

Riiiiight.

You know what's funny? Out one side of your both you blast Saddam for causing trouble for the UN weapon inspectors, indeed, as that is the only legitimate cause for war (and really, REALLY, loosely at that - I and many others don't agree), but still, the only way.

And, on the OTHER side of your mouth, you suggest the US withdraw from the UN - do essentially the same thing you want to go to war with Iraq for! (IE., not cooperating with the UN)

Do you even think your opinions through all the way, or just parrot what is told you?

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France & Germany Take the Same Stance

by MrMoe in

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friends

http://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html

france, germany stand firm on iraq.

wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).

Xander

the unholy alliance between Iraq and North Korea.

The 'unholy alliance'?!

The 'UNHOLY ALLIANCE'!?!?!

ROFLAO!!

OMG, that has to be the (no offense) STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD!

Does North Korea even have an AMBASSADOR to Iraq? NO! Have there leaders ever met? NO! Where did this 'unholy' *laugh* 'alliance' come from?

Well, that would be the mind of G.W. Bush, now wouldn't it? (Or, more specifically, the mind of one of his PR spin doctors)

Here:

To complete the roundup, ties were also established with Kuwait. The DPRK has long had a large trade mission there, and has in recent years sent up to 2,000 construction workers (as South Korea used to do in this region). Local media quoted a visiting North Korean deputy foreign minister as taking gratifyingly anti-Iraqi positions--contra the nave assumption that all "rogue states" must be best buddies, North Korea and Iraq fell out long ago when Baghdad saw Pyongyang as taking Tehran's side during the Iran-Iraq war.

Since you seem kinda slow, let me point it out for you....when they say 'DRPK', they are referring to the 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea' - North Korea. 'Pyongyang' also is a reference to North Korea - that's their capital.

In short, NORTH KOREA and IRAQ are not friendly - they are ENEMIES OF EACH OTHER.

Edited by - Xander on 22 January 2003 19:26:24

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Gulf War 2!

by Xander in

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kinda dark humor, but funny.

play through the whole thing..... http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml

Xander

Kinda dark humor, but funny. Play through the whole thing....

http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml