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  Utah Court - Abuse article

  by Xandit in

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  sorry bout that.

  it double posted on me.. edited by - xandit on 12 march 2001 13:40:14

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  Xandit

  Sorry bout that. It double posted on me.

  Edited by - Xandit on 12 March 2001 13:40:14
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  HOW IT OFTEN HAPPENS PT. 3

  by Dogpatch in

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  from the sexual abuse guest log:.

  http://www.exjws.net/sexabuse/abuseguestlog.htm.

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  Xandit

  good stuff waiting. Unfortunately a reasonable, realistic approach is not appreciated by many. I think it's particularly commendable given your personal experience.
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  They SLAUGHTER KIDS in JWdom, don't they, Mom?

  by Focus in

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  here the prime sources of data are watchtower publications.. the data.

  fact one (from watchtower magazine 15 october, 1993 p32).

  doctor x, sympathetic to the jehovah's witnesses, stated that to forego blood transfusions increases the mortality rate for a standard operating procedure from c0.5% to c1.5% (in the advanced world).. fact two (from awake!

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  Xandit

  Sassenach you are quite correct, using the Memorial attendance as a base number is ludicrous. Publishers are about as close as you can get, maybe add 5% for children too young to publish. I just never got to that part of his lengthy discouse because it fell at the first hurdle.

  Everything I've seen and heard indicates that mortality and morbidity rates for JWs undergoing surgery are no different than the general population. The only difference is that Witnesses are released from the hospital 24 hours earlier on the average (which makes them very attractive to insurance companies and HMOs). Those numbers don't come from Witnesses but have been presented at medical conferences by Doctors that have been associated with transfusionless medical treatment.
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  "The Note"

  by AuSet in

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  at the 1994 district convention in bismark, north dakota, (could possibly have been 93) my sister wrote a note to her friend and tossed it in the garbage.

  the note contained a discussion about going to boy's hotel rooms after the sessions ended, and other troublesome activities, including lying to the parents about what my sister and her friend were doing.. presumably, an attendant found this note in the garbage and turned it into the elders.

  on the last talk of the last day of the convention, the note was read out loud to the entire audience, along with the warning that "whoever you are, we will find you.

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  Xandit

  Sassenach I've always had a tendency to make rude gestures in the face of authority and it almost overcame me on the stage at the assembly )Just a momentary impulse.

  mommy I may be many things but I am not common.
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  Any JW's take issue with R. Franz' writings?

  by TR in

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  just wondering if there is anything in r. franz' books that jw's might disagree with, assuming you feel free enough to read them.

  let's talk.. tr.

  edited by - tr on 8 march 2001 2:2:42

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  Xandit

  I though Franz' books were pretty good. A little too much hand wringing at the end of Crisis for my taste. The "I just don't understand why you're doing this" business seemed a little put on but other than that I found it to be good stuff. I did form the impression that Franz was a rather weak character.
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  They SLAUGHTER KIDS in JWdom, don't they, Mom?

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here the prime sources of data are watchtower publications.. the data.

  fact one (from watchtower magazine 15 october, 1993 p32).

  doctor x, sympathetic to the jehovah's witnesses, stated that to forego blood transfusions increases the mortality rate for a standard operating procedure from c0.5% to c1.5% (in the advanced world).. fact two (from awake!

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  Xandit

  Focus your verbosity in no way obviates the fact that you are misrepresenting, that you are a willful liar.

  I notice you didn't produce the second quote.

  6 of 9 you may be credulous because you were raised as a Witness but that's your personal problem. You want to believe Focus rubbish go ahead, your association with a blind guide is clearly approriate.
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  "The Note"

  by AuSet in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the 1994 district convention in bismark, north dakota, (could possibly have been 93) my sister wrote a note to her friend and tossed it in the garbage.

  the note contained a discussion about going to boy's hotel rooms after the sessions ended, and other troublesome activities, including lying to the parents about what my sister and her friend were doing.. presumably, an attendant found this note in the garbage and turned it into the elders.

  on the last talk of the last day of the convention, the note was read out loud to the entire audience, along with the warning that "whoever you are, we will find you.

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  Xandit

  mommy where did that happen, and when? That's fascinating, once I almost kicked over the traces myself that way.
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  They SLAUGHTER KIDS in JWdom, don't they, Mom?

  by Focus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here the prime sources of data are watchtower publications.. the data.

  fact one (from watchtower magazine 15 october, 1993 p32).

  doctor x, sympathetic to the jehovah's witnesses, stated that to forego blood transfusions increases the mortality rate for a standard operating procedure from c0.5% to c1.5% (in the advanced world).. fact two (from awake!

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  Xandit

  Why Focus is a liar:

  Please read the following quote from the Watchtower that is the supposed basis of Focus post and note that not only does he misrepresent what it says, he seems incapable of understanding simple declarative sentences. Oh, and you might try to find the second quote.

  Ask yourself why someone so accustomed to quoting great tranches of material from the publications didn't quote the whole thing on this one. Ask yourself why you are so credulous.

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  Blood transfusions are common in modern medicine, but do they measure up to their reputation? What do you think?

  In The American Journal of Medicine (February 1993), Dr. Craig S. Kitchens asked: "Are Transfusions Overrated?" He noted that physicians often weigh whether the benefit of a therapy is more than the risk it might bring. What about transfusions?

  Kitchens reviewed recent evidence of many risks linked with transfusions, such as hepatitis, compromised immunity, organ system failure, and graft-versus-host reactions. One study summarizing "a myriad of complications" from blood transfusions "concluded that each transfusion event has an aggregate 20% chance for some adverse reaction, some of which are minor but others deleterious," even fatal.
  However, do the supposed benefits justify facing such risks?
  Dr. Kitchens reviewed 16 reported studies involving 1,404 operations on Jehovah's Witnesses, who refuse transfusions in obedience to the Bible command to 'abstain from blood.'-Acts 15:28, 29. The result? "The Jehovah's Witness patients' decision to forego transfusions for major surgical procedures appears to add 0.5% to 1.5% mortality to the overall operative risk. Less clear is how much morbidity and mortality are avoided by this practice, but they probably exceed the risk of not being transfused." (Italics ours.) His point? Any medical risk of refusing blood is probably less than the risks involved in accepting blood transfusions.

  Hence, Kitchens' reasonable question: "If not transfusing Jehovah's
  Witnesses actually results in little acute extra morbidity and mortality and avoids a significant amount of costs and chronic complications, should patients receive fewer transfusions?"
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  PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

  by Focus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

  do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

  -u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

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  Xandit

  Yeah he's as cute as a warm bucket of spit.
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  "The Note"

  by AuSet in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at the 1994 district convention in bismark, north dakota, (could possibly have been 93) my sister wrote a note to her friend and tossed it in the garbage.

  the note contained a discussion about going to boy's hotel rooms after the sessions ended, and other troublesome activities, including lying to the parents about what my sister and her friend were doing.. presumably, an attendant found this note in the garbage and turned it into the elders.

  on the last talk of the last day of the convention, the note was read out loud to the entire audience, along with the warning that "whoever you are, we will find you.

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  Xandit

  I believe you've said you're not a Witness and so you won't know much about the way Assemblies work. Just to clear it up for you, they might say something like there's an ice storm coming and you need to leave promptly after the session, or the parking lot is blocked at a particular exit, but it never goes further than that. Reading little notes found in the trash just sounds completely unreal to me and I've been associated with a lot of assembly programs.

  The only real possiblity is that this is North Dakota we're talking about and there's not a lot to do in North Dakota other than count telephone poles so maybe they needed a little excitement.

  Edited by - Xandit on 5 March 2001 14:1:43