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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

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  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Hi Susan, and thanks for replying to statements that I made here on the 1st page. I’m quite late in getting back around to this thread, but hopefully you will be checking back on it and notice my comments and questions here.

  Our full-time missionaries serve FULL TIME for two years. 10,000 hours is typical, if you want to calculate hours. How many Saturday mornings equal 10,000 hours? Funny that none of my JW relatives EVER have responded to that, but will change the subject abruptly. I'd really like to know. My guess would be years. Many, many years. Maybe a lifetime.

  Of course JWs have missionaries also. However, each and every individual of the Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses engage in the door-to-door disciple making work unless something like maybe health problems interfere with them doing so. Can you say as much for the individuals who comprise the Mormon Congregation? I mean, all whom I’ve EVER seen working the territories (in my hometown and elsewhere) were what appeared to be your Mormon missionaries. What keeps the average member of your religion from going door-to-door? Why is it ONLY the missionaries, whom serve full-time for a 2 year period, that go to peoples homes to spread the Mormon beliefs?

  Also, although I can’t say that I blame you for not addressing what the poster who goes by the name “Abaddon” said (due to the attitude he’s displayed) just the same I think he introduced some interesting aspects of the peculiar beliefs of the Mormon’s (if in fact you really do hold those beliefs). Would you consider addressing some of the things he mentioned just for information’s sake? … as I’m particularly interested in knowing whether or not you really hold to that which he’s asserted. I’ll quote part of his statement here for your convenience:

  The Mormon god is on a planet somewhere; he has physical form, and has lots of babies with his wives; they are spirit babies and come to Earth to be given physical bodies, and if they are very good, they'll get their own planet and their own harem and start sending their spirit babies to another planet to be given bodies.

  To what degree is this accurate, Susan? Do Mormons truly hold that God makes his home out on some planet in the universe? If so, is God himself a spirit person or a physical person? In your view, does God have wives … wives with whom he produces children, who, rather than being born physical are born as spiritual persons … children who are sent earthward so as to become human?

  If you decide to go ahead and address these intriguing questions I'm sure there are others besides me that would like to know. If you prefer not to, perhaps I will forgive you.

  Yadirf

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
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  To be lonely

  by flower in

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  i remember skimming through a thread a while back that seemed to be some of your favorite songs and i thought i'd share one that has recently touched me.. its called 'i refuse to be lonely'.... i cant hold you.

  cant hold you to the promises you made.

  you wont be here tonight.

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  To be lonely

  by flower in

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  i remember skimming through a thread a while back that seemed to be some of your favorite songs and i thought i'd share one that has recently touched me.. its called 'i refuse to be lonely'.... i cant hold you.

  cant hold you to the promises you made.

  you wont be here tonight.

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  Yadirf

  One can listen to a sample of I Refuse to Be Lonely by Phyllis Hyman by clicking here ---> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000098Y/ref=ase_inktomi-musicasin-20/002-0880756-4812008

  Scroll down to where it says "Listen to Samples", not quite half way down the page there.

  I Refuse To Be Lonely--a GEM!, February 26, 2000
  Reviewer: Roger A. Sneed from Nashville,TN
  What can be said of Phyllis Hyman? Her music is extraordinary, moody, rich, expressive. "I Refuse To Be Lonely" is perhaps one of the best examples of Hyman's powerful voice. It also is one of the best examples of her ability to infuse each lyric with her emotions. As a result, one hears the depth of her sadness, her desire to experience joy in her life. The title track is a commentary on Hyman's desire to transcend her pain, while the final track "Give Me One Good Reason To Stay" is a powerful testimony, a postscript to her troubled life. Five years after her suicide, we still have yet to discover the beauty of her voice and the strength of her lyrical abilities.

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
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  FOUL TRICKERY by the GREAT WHORE.

  by Focus in

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  ***g93 3/22 5. a fable from india tells of six blind men from indostan who went to see an elephant.

  the first one touched its side and said: 'bless me!

  but the elephant is very like a wall!

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  Yadirf

  Focus, the author of this ridiculous thread, is a true blue idiot in the truest sense of the word. An “idiot” is: 1. A foolish or stupid person. 2. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech. Focus is so dense that he can’t see what’s directly in front of his own eyes after having scrutinized the texts he went to all the trouble to cite and compare.

  BUT WHY DID THE WATCHTOWER CHOOSE A QUESTION FROM ONE BOOK OF THE BIBLE AND THEN (PART OF) THE ANSWER FROM ANOTHER BOOK, WHEN THE SAME ANSWER WAS BUT A COUPLE OF VERSES AWAY FROM THE QUESTION?

  Note that Matthew’s account (v. 3) makes plain that the question the disciples asked had reference to Jesus coming again (his future “presence”), whereas in Luke’s parallel account (v. 7) such “presence” is NOT even mentioned. Similarly when it comes to the earthquake aspect of the sign, Luke’s account (v. 10-11) adds something that Matthew’s didn’t: Luke adds emphasis by saying “great earthquakes” rather than just simply “earthquakes” as was the case in Matthew (v. 7). So, obviously, the reason the writer of the Awake article chose to use Matthew’s verse 3 in conjunction with Luke’s verses 10-11 is that they each had something to add that their counterparts in the same book didn’t.

  FOUL TRICKERY by the GREAT WHORE, indeed!

  Hogwash!

  So they distract the jW or other reader with smoke, and direct him to a mirrored image far away so he or she misses the words of Jesus right under his nose that specifically reassured him that false prophets of doom and gloom like the Jehovah's Witnesses may be safely ignored.

  Hogwash, again! You’re not only a genuine idiot, Focus, but your imagination continues to run away with itself. Of course all who are NOT idiots have sense enough to know that JWs are very familiar with the words that lie in between verses 3 and 7 of Matthew’s account, and the same with Luke’s account. And those who are not as versed in the Bible as what JWs are have Bibles at their disposal which they can read anytime they wish, and are encouraged to do so. It’s outrageously stupid on your part to suggest that the WTS would attempt to pull something as you suggest off on people, and equally as stupid for you to suggest that such people are too dumb to read their own Bibles at their own leisure.

  Hey Focus: See my thumb? Gee you’re dumb!

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
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  Parable of wheat and weeds

  by HenryP in

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  i have been wondering the meaning of this parable.

  i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?

  i found this article on it:.

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  Sunstarr

  As for the other side of your argument (God's plan), am I mistaken in remembering that JW's believe that the governments were placed in their respective positions by God and are allowed to remain only because of Him? (Ro. 13:1) So where does one draw the line at what is part of God's will and what is a matter of choice by the individual?

  The "governments" came to exist as a result of man's original rejection of God's own rule. Ever since then, God has TOLERATED man's rule (in the form of governments) for a specific reason. Too, the Scriptures are full of references which show that Satan is the ultimate one behind man's system of self-rule. I would encourage you to meditate once again on the text of Romans 13:1, and think in terms of God's toleration of the world's governments, not only in light of the way they got their start but give consideration to what the Bible elsewhere has to say regarding Satan's part/share insofar as his authority over them all.

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
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  Parable of wheat and weeds

  by HenryP in

  1. jw
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  i have been wondering the meaning of this parable.

  i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?

  i found this article on it:.

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  Sunstarr

  The bottom line to my point is this: ....

  I understood your point the first time round, and you've said nothing new but what my previous comments doesn't overturn.

  I think I'm safe in saying that Borgfree's comment was not intended to display worship for those individuals who have fought and died. I'm sure his statement was indicating that he's very much appreciative of the freedoms he enjoys because of their sacrifice. I'm quite sure he doesn't set up a shire to pay homage to these soldiers. Yet, he is thankful for what they have done. He doesn't ridicule the soldiers for their actions. Have you ever been given a gift certificate to a restaurant or a store? After using the certificate, were you appreciative of the giver? Does that imply that you idolize that person because of the gift they have given you? If someone else were to ridicule that person for the manner in which they gave you the gift, would you be upset or offended?

  You've demonstrated quite well you're proficiency at reading into other peoples statements only what you desire to get out of them, but not anything like they said, didn't say, nor even implied. Are you really so desperate to find a fault with a JW that you have to resort to such tactics, whether knowingly or not? No one ridiculed those soldiers in the picture I posted. Additionally, regarding Borgfree's "statement", you demonstrate that you have no idea what constitutes an act of idolatry -- for which reason I have to conclude that you're not very well versed in the Scriptures.

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  Yadirf

  I saw a report on TV about the church of Jesus Chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw. They go from door to door....

  The Mormons go "door to door" for a period of ONLY 2 years. JWs on the other hand see their ministerial work as a life-long activity. Something else rather bizarre is that Mormons believe they will individually become a God, and rule over their own part of the universe eventually. A couple of Mormons (young men) came to my door not so very long ago. One of them was quite surprised to learn from me that according to Mormon teachings he would someday become a God. His associate verified what I had said. And yes, even as was mentioned by another poster in this thread, Mormons are now in the habit of asking if they can be of service in some way. I think that perhaps its a ploy they use in an attempt to top their counterparts (Jehovah's Witnesses) in the eyes of the householder. Of course, Jehovah's Witnesses aren't there at the people's doors to do yard work. So, there's lots of differences between the religion which Mormons practice and that of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
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  Parable of wheat and weeds

  by HenryP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been wondering the meaning of this parable.

  i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?

  i found this article on it:.

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  Sunstarr

  Just curious: Christ died for all mankind. You could argue that God directed him to do so; however, he had free will and chose to give his life. Because of this sacrifice you claim to have the possible future of paradise on earth and freedom from sin. This freedom can only be attributed to Christ (since, again, he had free will). Therefore, you enjoy that freedom because of an individual whom you feel is NOT God. Is this, or is this not idolatry under your guideline as quoted above?

  Note what I have bolded in your statement above. You're very much mistaken. That Jesus should sacrifice his life was in accordance with God's plan to save mankind out of eternal death. Jesus didn't institute the plan, he just went along with it. The credit therefore goes to God, and that's the way Jesus would have it. So no, to acknowledge that Jesus' sacrifice paved the way to paradise being restored is not an act of idolatry because it was done in accordance with God's will. Like the Scriptures attest to: "God ... gave his only-begotten Son.... God sent forth his Son into the world ... for the world to be saved through him." (John 3:16, 17) And yes, to give credit to men for a God-given right, namely "freedom", certainly is idolatry.

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
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  Parable of wheat and weeds

  by HenryP in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been wondering the meaning of this parable.

  i know what jehovah's witnesses believe it is, but is there another interpretation?

  i found this article on it:.

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  Borgfree

  Yadirf, I know where everything comes from, "the Father of celestial lights". The father allows humans to ...fight for their ...safety.

  You make the world's warring nations appear so innocent. If I'm being attacked by an intruder, of course I have God's permission to defend myself. But you won't find any support in the Scriptures for a Christian aligning himself with the nations in warfare. Part of becoming a Christian is that such persons have SEPARATED themselves from the world and its ungodly ways. A Christian can't help fight the world's bloody battles without having supported the world itself ... a "world" that came about as the result of Adam rejecting God's oversight.

  BTW, the fact that you were born into the religion, but now spit in its face, makes you all the more guilty for taking sides with those who love the slop I referred to earlier. YOU, of all people, should have reason to know and understand more than what you've demonstrated here in this thread.

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.
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  JW Nursing Home web site

  by freeborg in

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  please use the link below to view yet another "charity" in association with the wts.

  have a good read and please pass your comments.. http://www.jah-jireh.co.uk/

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  Yadirf

  Seems awfully strange that NOWHERE on the page ( http://www.jah-jireh.co.uk/) does one find the WTS's official seal, nor any official words of endorsement by the WTS. Things don't appear to be on the up and up here!

  Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.