Geesh AB,
I don't really think the 'Isalm is evil' possee are going to change their minds, so I can't see the point in trying. I've not seen anyone here claim that Islam is evil, of whom do you speak?
They are so attached to their opinions that even when the facts they use to back up the opinions (such as the old "Islam is an intrinsically violent religon" opinionThis isn't an opinion, it's a documented fact that Islam started and spread through violence much beloved of the ignoranti) are shown to be distortions or downright false, they do not change their opinions.
Rather than characteristing the issue as good law-abiding people against bad law-breaking people, religious extremists or bigots on either side make it a conflict of religions. No, what you have is lefties (for the most part) trying to show conservatives couching the argument as a religious one.
Just as the Wahhabis see no hope of a peaceful co-existence with non-Muslims, so too do extremist Christians who are the "extremists and misinformed religious bigots who are the bigots see no hope of peaceful co-existence with Muslims. I've not seen anyone on this board make this arguement...can you point me to it. It is a pity we can't stick all the fuckers on an island and leave them to their own hate-filled little world. Besides which, the Wahhabis are killing those they can't "co-exist" with, the Christians aren't.
Fortunately the majority of people in the Islamic world do not favour the actions of their violent minority, In Saudi Arabia this is not true, or in Palestinian territory, etc. The majority should be a bit more vocal if they oppose the minority. just as the majority of people in the West do not favour the policies put forward by our intolerant and massively ignorant minority.
At least many Wahhabis have excuses for their ignorance. Really, what excuse, other than the ones YOU offer. Few Westerners do.
The Wahhabi doctrines attract people from cultures under pressure Yes, those poor Arabs, they have such a hard life.; polarised, defiant, 'traditonalistic' beliefs always attract people who feel their way of life is under attack. Or maybe they feel under attack because they are polarized. Look at the fundamental Christians in the USA, for example. Sooo, Christians are extremists? Or just those that feel Christianity is under attack? How is that played out...are the Christians taking prisoners and cutting off their heads? Just as modern humaistic and scientific values have generated a backlash amongst fundamental Christians clinging to the myths, intolerance and misogyny of former centuries, so too has modern Western society generated a backlash amongst the worst off of the Muslim cultures. Define "worst off" and why are they so bad off? How has the west caused this? I'm not eveing going to address your obvious hatred of christian values.
We were ignorant enough, in the West, to think we could make fucking barbarians immensely rich without problems. Ahhh, you have such a tolerant view of Arabs We thought it was okay to be democratic at home but to support the most convenient dictator or feudal despot for our political agendas. I actually agree with you here, though to be fair, the dictator was already there, we didn't put them in power.. We thought we could chop up the world according to our interests and not suffer any negative reprecussions in the years to come.
We've truely reaped the whirlwind. Does that make what we did bad?
Now, as ever there are idiots getting semi-hard-ons at the thought of incinerating innocent men women and children. Some of them are Muslims. Some of them are Christians.Really, who, and who has said such a thing Some of them are just morons. But they are all scum.
Let us in the West take the battle to those who would do harm to innocent people and keep it away from the innocent. Explain how this is done when the Terrorists hide in the midst of innocent people? If we don't we are just as bad Muslims who kill innocent people, or Christians, Jews, Hindus, atheists, whatevers that kill innocent people.