i've been thinking about this for sometime now and i wanted to know how other people felt about this comparison.
the pharisees were known for hypocrisy and for also promoting traditions of men and other non-bibical teachings.
when we look at the wtbs in light of the actions of the pharisees there are some amazing similarities.
When I first read the subject of this thread I thought "now I wonder what the apostates will say about this?"
I came into the thread and oh my god I was right. What is there to expect from apostates but to slam the GB and all those that take the lead in the organization?
i get sick and tired of hearing the watchtower lie that they.
have no 'clergy- laity' distinction.. the hypocrisy in this is almost incredible.
the society wants.
Thanks I appreciate the example.
how about the "new light" on the "generation" of Matthew 24:34?Well, how about it? Do you agree with the new understanding?
it was nothing more than regrouping after their prophecy (presented as "Jehovah's prophetic word") about Armageddon coming during the lifetime of the 1914 generation had fallen flat on its face.Yes, you might me right, it probably made them realize that further analysis was needed. But can you see how they arrived at the previous understanding? When reading the scriptures regarding the generation, it made sense what they believed. Maybe it wasn't right, but it kind of made sense. Now with the new understanding, the prophetic word can be understood correctly.
So they just made up a new meaning for the word "generation," and *poof*! Problem solved!Did they make up a new meaning? If you reread the article that explained the new understanding, you can look up the greek meaning of the word used and follow along with the article.
So they did not make up a "new truth", they researched, analyzed the old understanding and updated it.
i get sick and tired of hearing the watchtower lie that they.
have no 'clergy- laity' distinction.. the hypocrisy in this is almost incredible.
the society wants.
they have to keep making up "new truths" to keep the drones excited and motivated.
Give examples of the Watchtower making up new truths.
i get sick and tired of hearing the watchtower lie that they.
have no 'clergy- laity' distinction.. the hypocrisy in this is almost incredible.
the society wants.
At least JWs keep progessing in their Bible knowledge. We don't get stuck in centuries old doctrines at all cost. If research shows that we are wrong on a particular subject, it will be changed.
i get sick and tired of hearing the watchtower lie that they.
have no 'clergy- laity' distinction.. the hypocrisy in this is almost incredible.
the society wants.
I don't have to taste shit to know that it's shit.
i get sick and tired of hearing the watchtower lie that they.
have no 'clergy- laity' distinction.. the hypocrisy in this is almost incredible.
the society wants.
logical: it is Biblical. Jesus instructed his apostles who in turn instructed others. He also used Paul to instruct elders which in turn instructed the members of each individual congregation.
Were the early christians to be obedient to the elders?
What is the problem with the book that elders use? Most topics there are also considered in Watchtowers that are read by the public. The only thing the book is useful for is that collects all pertinent information into one book so that they can use the information instead to searching through all those Watchtowers. And the topics covered are related to the responsability that they hold. Pioneers also have a book that they are given during pioneer school, this book also covers topics that are useful for those that take the lead in the preaching work. Publishers also have a secret book, that the public should do not get offered, which is the Organization book. Why is it only for JWs? Because it covers organizational procedures that only a Witness will understand. So the book thing is no big deal, just an excuse for apostates to attack the Watchtower and insist that they are showing favoritism.
Adonai wrote:
Sorry to bust y'all's bubble but Pastors are volunteers too.It depends on what church you go to. I admit that some are volunteers, but most live off the donations given at the church.
Yes, I could always recognize the elders as the leaders/clergy because they were always the extra-spiffy dressed men running aroud preparing for the 'meeting' and during the meeting they took just as much a primary role as a pastor would in a Christian church.extra-spiffy? All JWs are encouraged to dress extra-spiffy for the meatings as a show of respect to Jehovahs house of worship. Come on you have to admit that if you walked into a kingdom hall, you would not recognize an elder unless someone pointed him out or he walked up to the stage.
i get sick and tired of hearing the watchtower lie that they.
have no 'clergy- laity' distinction.. the hypocrisy in this is almost incredible.
the society wants.
Do they have paid clergy? Yes!
HA, what a moron! (sorry Simon for that one). Bethelites get $90 (in the US) per month for their personal expenses. How much do clergy from all other religions make?
How much does the Watchtower pay local elders?
By the way, all CO expenses are paid by the World Wide Work fund, if you're going to throw out stupid accusations, get the facts right. The circuit no longer pays for their insurance, cars, etc...
And why can't the body of elders hold meetings in private? You're so stupid, you want to be there to snoop and listen in on them. Do you do that at work with managers, vp's, or the ceo when they have meetings?
Also, when you walk into a Catholic church, how can you tell who the pastor or priest is?
When you walk into a Kingdom Hall, can you tell off the bat who the elders are?
There's your difference.
i was a photo journalist in the so cal area for fifteen years.
i have seen/photographed many things.
however, this story takes the cake.. bizarre details of man's death revealed.
MATTHEW 24:12
Is it part of a sign?
when caught red handed with 10 years of signed documents where your leaders swore to uphold and promote the interests of the very organization you have vilified as satan's instrument, you now say, "i don't see that as a sin.
because you were caught?
also, if the proof is only "supposed," then where's a solid rebuttal to that proof without the ad hominems and red herrings?.
I cannot believe the Watchtower Printing Corporation had the balls to print this total pile of shit:
The Watchtower Printing Corp did not print that message. It was a post I made and it was a conversation with YouKnow. And just because you say it's crap, does not mean that it is. You are entitled to your suspisions, thoughts, and conspiracy theories, but in the end it is only your opinion not a fact.
Actually I believe that no matter what the WTBTS prints about the issue will not satisfy you because you will find any excuse in your demonized mind to attack them.
the watchtower has pronounced the un as being the disgusting thing because it is trying to bring about world peace instead of putting its faith in jehovah to do that.. the watchtower claims to be jehovah's tool and itself attempts to unite the peoples of the world into a united organization going so far as to monitor and punish the behavior of individuals around the world.. how are the watchtower's actions different from the united nations actions?.
joel
My Answers:
1. yes.
2. tricky question. yes and no. Depends how you question.
3. The literature is based on the scriptures so we must compare the information with those scriptures.
4. yes.
5. no.
6. sometimes.
7. makes my faith strong.
8. yes.
9. yes to the first question, no to the second question.
10. question 9, it depends on an individuals qualities if he will humble himself in front of God and accept his ways of doing things.
