im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
The question of a tsunami disproving God?
It doesn't. God didn't save their lives. It's heartbreaking. He didn't save Jesus's life either. I'm glad for that.
He doesn't promise to save our human lives. Jesus raised Lazarus...he still died later.
Those people in the tsunami would have still died later. He did something to protect us from eternal death.
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
I have heard the stories from people that were Muslims, Atheists, New Agers, Hindus, Buddhists, Jehovahs witness all tell a similar salvation story of how they came to faith in Jesus and how their lives were radically transformed.
You're right! A tower falling on people and murder are just events where people died. The message is clear.
Tsunamis, concentration camps, the senseless murders committed, the constant heartbreak we face everyday by people that supposedly love us, the Malaysian airplane that disappeared that we'll never know what happened, the political corruption, the word truth losing all meaning, technology not working, the constant barrage of anger, people committing suicide, families falling apart, the earth groaning, hurricanes, tornados, death of people we love, grief, loneliness, child trafficking, pedophiles, brick kiln slavery, slavery in general, rape, racism, are aliens real, is there a loch ness monster, I guess I could keep going.
These things don't disprove God, it just shows we need a savior because what other hope is there but God? Humans all over the world - atheists and believers of all religions -are trying to fight against all of this suffering! As an atheist I wonder why? If this is all meaningless leading to nothing? But do atheists put their hope in scientists or government to fix our suffering? That sounds silly because all people would have to unite in 1 mind and purpose to really fix anything and we know that isn't going to happen. The plane is going down! We need a parachute!
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
What if it isn't just selection bias? Just because a natural disaster occurred, it doesn't mean God is not real! Jesus spoke about these things in
Luke 13
There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? 3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? 5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.
while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.
lol.
I am a believer. I have always believed in God. It took me 10 years going to a Christian church and reading the Bible to finally admit that it reveals that Jesus is God (along with the Father and Holy Spirit). I would read a scripture clearly saying it and say Interesting! And one day, I just could not deny it anymore and I bowed my knee and then declared it! Shortly after that, a door opened to tell my mom about the Trinity concept whereas I would have been terrified before! It transformed me. You can believe or not believe, but I can't deny the supernatural "coincidences" that follow the things I pray about. The part I love most is the comfort I get when I am upset. It can come from anywhere. People will step up to defend me, it's amazing! I feel seen, loved and I have a hope and peace that transcends circumstances. There's also great purpose and adventure in my life as I pray and see how it all gets worked out!!
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we seem to have had an influx of religiots - the people who want to tell us all about how we / the wts / whoever are wrong, wrong, wrong about everything and how right they are.
they obviously have special insight, or voices (probably voices, right?
) telling them the real truth.. as proof, there is inevitably a wall of random scripture references and quotes.. sorry, but we're not here for that.
I believe in the Bible. I like discussing it. Jw don't like discussing it because it questions their incorrect theology and ruffles their cognitive dissonance causing them to get angry and run away.
There is a lot of ambiguity in the Bible which lends to debates. I think this is healthy.
Since this site is based on a religion, the Bible will ultimately always get brought up. Jesus will always get brought up. There's no better thing to discuss, in my opinion!! Keep seeking, keep discussing, I say!!❤️
scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.
do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?
if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?
I think JW think that they are in the true religion. So no matter what they are told to believe by the gb - they believe it because ultimately they don't care about actual truth. They are waiting for paradise, which they think they will earn by obeying the watchtower, which they think is basically the Bible and obeying the gb, who basically have said they may as well be Jesus. So, instead of obeying Jesus and the actual Bible, they are trusting in a religion and their own good works to save them and they give lip service to Jesus.
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
When I initially left at 19 it was that I married a "worldly person " and started doing drugs and we were able to run away for about a year. That was my dramatic escape.
I attempted to go back few times and it got thwarted (thank you Jesus!)
I started reading the Bible and I saw for myself what was really going on. I despised the control, the fear the elders created in me, the deception I discovered and once I knew I could be free of them and serve God, I went for it! Woo hoo for freedom to be accepted by God without the Jehovahs Witnesses!! Jesus is enough!
full disclosure, i am an atheist/slight agnostic and really don't believe in god/s.. however, i do find solace in a good evensong at the cathedral.
because one of my kids came with me, it has inspired him to become a christian and hence got baptised in a uk high church (anglican cum catholic hybrid).. so, i take him to visit different places eg, ely cathedral.
he likes me to accompany him to his new church.
What we think the 2nd coming will be like?
Every eye will see it.
The dead and the people still alive, will meet him in the air and we will always be with him (maybe only believers in Christ and sealed with the holy spirit)
Eventually there will be a feast. We'll all sing songs.
There's something about ruling with Christ, (but we'd have to speculate pretty hard to know what that means)
No more tears, no more suffering, no more death.
Those are what the Bible tells us, so I believe that, though I'm not sure what it's going to *actually * be since a lot of people had the wrong idea of the messiah even though they had the scriptures/prophecies.
Once when I got pregnant, I thought that it was going to be the craziest thing for my belly to swell and a person grow inside of me! But it actually felt very normal.
I think that's how the 2nd coming will be. Sounds crazy, but it will feel very normal and I think heaven will feel just like home and all of this will be like waking up and barely able to remember that dream.
I'm not sure if that's what you were asking?
a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.
i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.
he brought up this juicy source:.
Well, in revelation it says John "heard" a number 144000 (Jews) and when he "looked' he saw a great crowd of all nations people tongues (all believers)
So, what I think is that in the beginning salvation came through Jews, but now it's open to all, through Jesus.
